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Biden admin finally recommends Ukraine negotiate with Russia

6 points by miguelazo 4y ago

miguelazo 4y ago
As winter, Russian reinforcements, and the midterms approach, Blinken and Sullivan face reality. After all, the primary objective, selling more US LNG to Europe, has been achieved. Hopefully they won’t just send another lapdog British PM to kill the deal like they did in April. https://archive.ph/Jfajs https://archive.ph/Jfajs
- trifit 4y ago
  Quite cynical proposal, the differences between the stubborn Putin and adrenaline filled Zelensky are not Americas fault. I’m sure US has better things to initiate than sell oil. Winter cuts both ways, we are already seeing Russian recruits and officers voice their opinion against being sent to the meat grinder. In fact there is still no justification for the attack on civilians which seems to have motivated Ukrainians further.
  - wellthatsawrap1 4y ago
    - rat87 4y ago
      And by research you mean Russian propoganda
      - wellthatsawrap1 4y ago
        Just like that laptop
  - miguelazo 4y ago
    The attacks on civilian infrastructure were a direct result of the escalation on the part of the West and the Azov-controlled Ukrainian military— bombing the bridge to Crimea and the Nordstream pipelines, etc.
- throwawaysleep 4y ago
  Biden imperiled Democratic chances in the midterms due to accelerating inflation in exchange for helping an industry that hates him and is populated with people who hate him boost sales?
  - miguelazo 4y ago
    That’s the most impressive part of all— the neocons got the Dems to (enthusiastically) carry out their insane foreign policy predicated on desperately maintaining US hegemony AND making the Dems pay the price for it at the polls.
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rat87 4y ago
The title is not the article of the actual title and is pretty misleading >The encouragement is aimed not at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, but ensuring it maintains a moral high ground in the eyes of its international backers ... > While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply. Biden simply wants to bring attention that Ukraine has been willing to negotiate in good faith effort to get Russia to get out ASAP while Russia has been unwilling to admit its losing the war and has seemed to stick to it's initial goals of conquering Ukraine even as the goal gets more and more ridiculous. If Russia wants any scraps of face-saving gestures or to get its foreign reserves back it had better start negotiating soon.
- wellthatsawrap1 4y ago
- mamonster 4y ago
  I mean it's not like Ukraine is serious about negotiations themselves (and why should they be), and neither is Russia. Serious negotiations imply that there is even a remote possibility of the sides working out the deal. One look at the starting positions of what Ukraine would want to settle and what Russia would want to settle tells you all you need to know. Asking Zelensky to negotiate for Ukrainian statehood is more ridiculous than asking Putin to negotiate the existence of the current Russian state as it is, but both propositions in themselves are completely disconnected from reality.
  - miguelazo 4y ago
    > One look at the starting positions of what Ukraine would want to settle and what Russia would want to settle tells you all you need to know. Disagree. They already had an acceptable deal to both parties on the table in April and the US torpedoed it. They sent Boris to make sure the message was completely understood. Ukrainian press even reported that.
bumblebritches5 4y ago

6 points by miguelazo 4y ago

As winter, Russian reinforcements, and the midterms approach, Blinken and Sullivan face reality. After all, the primary objective, selling more US LNG to Europe, has been achieved. Hopefully they won’t just send another lapdog British PM to kill the deal like they did in April. https://archive.ph/Jfajs https://archive.ph/Jfajs

trifit 4y ago
Quite cynical proposal, the differences between the stubborn Putin and adrenaline filled Zelensky are not Americas fault. I’m sure US has better things to initiate than sell oil. Winter cuts both ways, we are already seeing Russian recruits and officers voice their opinion against being sent to the meat grinder. In fact there is still no justification for the attack on civilians which seems to have motivated Ukrainians further.
- wellthatsawrap1 4y ago
  - rat87 4y ago
    And by research you mean Russian propoganda
    - wellthatsawrap1 4y ago
      Just like that laptop
- miguelazo 4y ago
  The attacks on civilian infrastructure were a direct result of the escalation on the part of the West and the Azov-controlled Ukrainian military— bombing the bridge to Crimea and the Nordstream pipelines, etc.
throwawaysleep 4y ago
Biden imperiled Democratic chances in the midterms due to accelerating inflation in exchange for helping an industry that hates him and is populated with people who hate him boost sales?
- miguelazo 4y ago
  That’s the most impressive part of all— the neocons got the Dems to (enthusiastically) carry out their insane foreign policy predicated on desperately maintaining US hegemony AND making the Dems pay the price for it at the polls.
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rat87 4y ago

The title is not the article of the actual title and is pretty misleading >The encouragement is aimed not at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, but ensuring it maintains a moral high ground in the eyes of its international backers ... > While U.S. officials share their Ukrainian counterparts’ assessment that Putin, for now, isn’t serious about negotiations, they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply. Biden simply wants to bring attention that Ukraine has been willing to negotiate in good faith effort to get Russia to get out ASAP while Russia has been unwilling to admit its losing the war and has seemed to stick to it's initial goals of conquering Ukraine even as the goal gets more and more ridiculous. If Russia wants any scraps of face-saving gestures or to get its foreign reserves back it had better start negotiating soon.

wellthatsawrap1 4y ago
mamonster 4y ago
I mean it's not like Ukraine is serious about negotiations themselves (and why should they be), and neither is Russia. Serious negotiations imply that there is even a remote possibility of the sides working out the deal. One look at the starting positions of what Ukraine would want to settle and what Russia would want to settle tells you all you need to know. Asking Zelensky to negotiate for Ukrainian statehood is more ridiculous than asking Putin to negotiate the existence of the current Russian state as it is, but both propositions in themselves are completely disconnected from reality.
- miguelazo 4y ago
  > One look at the starting positions of what Ukraine would want to settle and what Russia would want to settle tells you all you need to know. Disagree. They already had an acceptable deal to both parties on the table in April and the US torpedoed it. They sent Boris to make sure the message was completely understood. Ukrainian press even reported that.

bumblebritches5 4y ago