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Huh, it’s almost like he has no fucking idea what he’s doing.

by darkteflon 4y ago

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qull 4y ago
Is this considered a constructive comment on HN?
- tom_ 4y ago
  There's an upvote/downvote mechanism that you can use to provide feedback. HN does sometimes position itself in opposition to Reddit. Nothing wrong with Reddit, of course, just that Reddit does thing sone way and HN does things another. And snarky low-value comments are one of the things that Reddit does and HN does not. But: because HN doesn't generally do them, you can sometimes get away with the odd one, if it's timed right. Personally, I upvoted this one.
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- arrow7000 4y ago
  More than yours is
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Dang needs to step in and put a warning at top in each of these threads (I think he did it once in one of the main threads). Those tend to be really helpful. The discourse aroung Elon Musk on HN is seething with irrational hate and not a whole lot of sensibility. I feel like I should hit the 10k karma point and bail out of here. I definitely do not fit here ideologically, politically and intellectually anymore.
  - gausswho 4y ago
    Is there some kind of benefit at 10k karma?
    - systemvoltage 4y ago
      Nah, just an arbitrary point to stop. I used to get so much back from HN community, all kinds of cool ideas and great overall discussion. These days even those discussions have become strangely elementary and appealing to lowest common denominator. I am constantly downvoted here for going against the grain and it's not that much fun. That's made me more resentful and I also downvote everyone else. Nevermind the extreme progressive politics here. It is not mentally healthy. It could also be that I am changing and going offtrack mentally.
      - marvin 4y ago
        The right Twitter feed will probably feed your curiosity the right way. That's where I am pulled these days. Maybe Musk's long-form promises might actually make it viable. HN is definitely not the place for aggressive independent-mindedness these days.
      - disposition2 4y ago
        You might try only engaging in things you find will provide value to you.? You mention politics and it can be difficult to discuss those topics today, especially online and more so when people can be essentially anonymous and trollish. I personally stopped using Twitter, try to limit the scope of my engagement on Reddit, and am trying to read more of what I would consider reputable sources of information instead of ‘going to the comments to get the real facts’. I’ve found using RSS and just reading articles (rather than going into the comment section to get takes) has been somewhat helpful. Also just disconnecting every once and I while is helpful. But it kind of feels like I personally am addicted to the information…so that can be hard. Sorry for the rant, just wanted to share what I have found somewhat helpful. Cheers
      - RobertWHurst 4y ago
        I feel you on this, but I don't know if HN is the problem. This culture war has broke a lot of people's brains (regardless of what internet communities they're part of), to the point where nuanced discussion on any topic is rather difficult nay impossible. For people that are captured by this form of thinking, everything is framed in for or against terms. If something or someone can be placed, even conceptually, as against their side; they fail the purity test or make a decision that isn't strictly kosher, well then every single thing they do needs to be hyper analyzed, then framed in a dispassionate if not fully negative perspective. Like you, I'm getting very tired of this discorse. I'm sure for people who view things this way it can be exhausting, as you constantly have to be reframing everything in ever evolving terms of political doctrine. I don't think this will last. Ordinary people are getting tired of it, and I think these puritans are starting to get real pushback in the open. A totally anecdotal opinion, but hopefully one that resonates a bit. In anycase I think the best thing we can all do is try our best to be objective, compassionate, and nuanced when evaluating people or events. Life is complex and its elements don't fit into a binary of good and evil.
ATsch 4y ago
I don't know who said it, but the real point of buying Twitter was to prove he could buy Twitter. He doesn't really have to care if it burns down, he's not going to be out on the streets from it like the rest of us. It's futile explain what he's doing using any other logic.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  This sounds like retconning: he was forced to buy Twitter after developing cold feet.
  - ATsch 4y ago
    I don't disagree. I think he bought it on a whim because to show that he could, in the same way that a football fan might say they could run the team better than a manager. Then he realized it was not in fact a good idea and backed out of it.
    - mumblemumble 4y ago
      If a football fan actually does buy the team, and finds out they could not, in fact, run it better, they might amend their story to, "Actually I just thought it would be cool to own a team," in order to save face. I think that's a more likely scenario: much like the hypothetical football fan, in a fit of zeal he said, "I could run this better!" If the goal were simply to flex his bank account, there are so many better ways he could have done that that I think we could safely assume he would have picked one of those instead. He may not be as smart as he thinks he is, but he isn't stupid.
      - ATsch 4y ago
        I don't think it makes sense to apply you-and-I logic where actions have consequences to a billionaire. He obviously never had a business case that would make twitter worth the premium and extra billion dollars a year interest it's paying now. So my point is not that he doesn't want it to succeed, it would obviously be a great personal embarrassment. It's that the risk of destroying a community of millions of people was clearly lower on his mind than the power trip of how cool it would be to own Twitter. He can afford to not care, and that's a deeply depressing situation.

Huh, it’s almost like he has no fucking idea what he’s doing.

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qull 4y ago

Is this considered a constructive comment on HN?

tom_ 4y ago
There's an upvote/downvote mechanism that you can use to provide feedback. HN does sometimes position itself in opposition to Reddit. Nothing wrong with Reddit, of course, just that Reddit does thing sone way and HN does things another. And snarky low-value comments are one of the things that Reddit does and HN does not. But: because HN doesn't generally do them, you can sometimes get away with the odd one, if it's timed right. Personally, I upvoted this one.
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
arrow7000 4y ago
More than yours is
systemvoltage 4y ago
Dang needs to step in and put a warning at top in each of these threads (I think he did it once in one of the main threads). Those tend to be really helpful. The discourse aroung Elon Musk on HN is seething with irrational hate and not a whole lot of sensibility. I feel like I should hit the 10k karma point and bail out of here. I definitely do not fit here ideologically, politically and intellectually anymore.
- gausswho 4y ago
  Is there some kind of benefit at 10k karma?
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    Nah, just an arbitrary point to stop. I used to get so much back from HN community, all kinds of cool ideas and great overall discussion. These days even those discussions have become strangely elementary and appealing to lowest common denominator. I am constantly downvoted here for going against the grain and it's not that much fun. That's made me more resentful and I also downvote everyone else. Nevermind the extreme progressive politics here. It is not mentally healthy. It could also be that I am changing and going offtrack mentally.
    - marvin 4y ago
      The right Twitter feed will probably feed your curiosity the right way. That's where I am pulled these days. Maybe Musk's long-form promises might actually make it viable. HN is definitely not the place for aggressive independent-mindedness these days.
    - disposition2 4y ago
      You might try only engaging in things you find will provide value to you.? You mention politics and it can be difficult to discuss those topics today, especially online and more so when people can be essentially anonymous and trollish. I personally stopped using Twitter, try to limit the scope of my engagement on Reddit, and am trying to read more of what I would consider reputable sources of information instead of ‘going to the comments to get the real facts’. I’ve found using RSS and just reading articles (rather than going into the comment section to get takes) has been somewhat helpful. Also just disconnecting every once and I while is helpful. But it kind of feels like I personally am addicted to the information…so that can be hard. Sorry for the rant, just wanted to share what I have found somewhat helpful. Cheers
    - RobertWHurst 4y ago
      I feel you on this, but I don't know if HN is the problem. This culture war has broke a lot of people's brains (regardless of what internet communities they're part of), to the point where nuanced discussion on any topic is rather difficult nay impossible. For people that are captured by this form of thinking, everything is framed in for or against terms. If something or someone can be placed, even conceptually, as against their side; they fail the purity test or make a decision that isn't strictly kosher, well then every single thing they do needs to be hyper analyzed, then framed in a dispassionate if not fully negative perspective. Like you, I'm getting very tired of this discorse. I'm sure for people who view things this way it can be exhausting, as you constantly have to be reframing everything in ever evolving terms of political doctrine. I don't think this will last. Ordinary people are getting tired of it, and I think these puritans are starting to get real pushback in the open. A totally anecdotal opinion, but hopefully one that resonates a bit. In anycase I think the best thing we can all do is try our best to be objective, compassionate, and nuanced when evaluating people or events. Life is complex and its elements don't fit into a binary of good and evil.

ATsch 4y ago

I don't know who said it, but the real point of buying Twitter was to prove he could buy Twitter. He doesn't really have to care if it burns down, he's not going to be out on the streets from it like the rest of us. It's futile explain what he's doing using any other logic.

sangnoir 4y ago
This sounds like retconning: he was forced to buy Twitter after developing cold feet.
- ATsch 4y ago
  I don't disagree. I think he bought it on a whim because to show that he could, in the same way that a football fan might say they could run the team better than a manager. Then he realized it was not in fact a good idea and backed out of it.
  - mumblemumble 4y ago
    If a football fan actually does buy the team, and finds out they could not, in fact, run it better, they might amend their story to, "Actually I just thought it would be cool to own a team," in order to save face. I think that's a more likely scenario: much like the hypothetical football fan, in a fit of zeal he said, "I could run this better!" If the goal were simply to flex his bank account, there are so many better ways he could have done that that I think we could safely assume he would have picked one of those instead. He may not be as smart as he thinks he is, but he isn't stupid.
    - ATsch 4y ago
      I don't think it makes sense to apply you-and-I logic where actions have consequences to a billionaire. He obviously never had a business case that would make twitter worth the premium and extra billion dollars a year interest it's paying now. So my point is not that he doesn't want it to succeed, it would obviously be a great personal embarrassment. It's that the risk of destroying a community of millions of people was clearly lower on his mind than the power trip of how cool it would be to own Twitter. He can afford to not care, and that's a deeply depressing situation.