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but, honestly, does it really surprise anybody? I'm quite sure Musk was expecting this outcome, despite the PR said otherwise. It's like complaining that Trum

but, honestly, does it really surprise anybody? I'm quite sure Musk was expecting this outcome, despite the PR said otherwise. It's like complaining that Trump failed to make America great again, like that was really his plan. Or that, in my Country, Berlusconi did not deliver the "liberal revolution" he promised. They are not there to make anything great, their great plan is to boost their ego, fix their problems, skip jail, and nothing else.

jokethrowaway 4y ago
Oh, so many different issues. Big businesses have an interest in stability (business as usual is predictable) and in being left leaning (pretend to care about people, lobby politicians to lobby for policies that entrench you in a position of power), it's to be expected they won't like change and that they won't like Elon. I don't think Elon cares too much tbh, he's obviously going to pivot Twitter into something like Line in China which does everything. I'm half expecting payments with crypto soonish. Trump biggest mistake was not to decrease public spending. You can't really scream at big government while doing exactly what your opponents are doing. He was decent policy wise and was positive for the economy. Overall he did much better than I expected out of a reality show contestant. Berlusconi did some good things policy wise but ended up facing a system that doesn't want to change. Italy doesn't have any hopes of redemption. The government is designed so that radical change is impossible (it's different in the US). Italy will keep on piling on debt until the government completely chokes the entire population and the country collapses. Trump and Berlusconi share a lot. Elon is crazy in his own way and pretty different.
- enragedcacti 4y ago
  > Trump biggest mistake was not to decrease public spending. You can't really scream at big government while doing exactly what your opponents are doing. Of course you can, it has been the republican modus operandi for 40+ years now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_Wanniski#The_Two_Santa_Claus_Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_Wanniski#The_Two_Santa_Cl... https://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/01/26/two-santa-clauses-or-how-republican-party-has-conned-america-thirty-years https://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/01/26/two-santa-clau...
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > Berlusconi did some good things policy wise but ended up facing a system that doesn't want to change. as Italian: Berlusconi is a convicted felon who got into politics to fix his problems with the criminal law and mostly succeeded. he was the first one not wanting to change anything in Italy. He basically stalled my Country for 25 years, because that system got him where he is today. Only a fool would kill the golden goose. Trump is trying to do the same. it's not a judgment on their political affiliation, which I oppose, but that's not the issue here. the issue is they are very bad men, with very bad ideals, not surprisingly both of them admire dictators and totalitarian leaders. Berlusconi is still bragging, still today, about his close friendship with Putin. Musk is just not a political leader, yet, but as a influencial personality in the tech space his behaviour has been not very dissimilar from the other two. Using his influence to convince people to support things that would only benefit him? check Bullying competitors? (via twitter) check Bullying critics? (via twitter) check addressing other leaders like a tugh in a street fight? check seriously, this happened for real! (facepalm emoji) https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503327421839417344 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503327421839417344 etc etc Having said that: one thing is gonna be interesting. If Elon Musk succeeds to relieve Twitter from his reliance on ads and convince enough people to actually pay for the service, making it a real product, that would make him a great entrepreneur with very bad manners, but still a bad human who is gambling with people's lives and careers just to prove a point.
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kmlx 4y ago
> skip jail i see the backlash against Musk is already at the “Trump”, “jail” levels. it’s quite funny to see so many people lose their mind over something that is of no real importance.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  I simply made a list of things important to these kind of people Musk is not at Trump level, but he already had his allegations that he called "political attacks" and that his company settled to silent them. Doesn't mean he did it, but he surely doesn't like to be on trial.

jokethrowaway 4y ago

Oh, so many different issues. Big businesses have an interest in stability (business as usual is predictable) and in being left leaning (pretend to care about people, lobby politicians to lobby for policies that entrench you in a position of power), it's to be expected they won't like change and that they won't like Elon. I don't think Elon cares too much tbh, he's obviously going to pivot Twitter into something like Line in China which does everything. I'm half expecting payments with crypto soonish. Trump biggest mistake was not to decrease public spending. You can't really scream at big government while doing exactly what your opponents are doing. He was decent policy wise and was positive for the economy. Overall he did much better than I expected out of a reality show contestant. Berlusconi did some good things policy wise but ended up facing a system that doesn't want to change. Italy doesn't have any hopes of redemption. The government is designed so that radical change is impossible (it's different in the US). Italy will keep on piling on debt until the government completely chokes the entire population and the country collapses. Trump and Berlusconi share a lot. Elon is crazy in his own way and pretty different.

enragedcacti 4y ago
> Trump biggest mistake was not to decrease public spending. You can't really scream at big government while doing exactly what your opponents are doing. Of course you can, it has been the republican modus operandi for 40+ years now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_Wanniski#The_Two_Santa_Claus_Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_Wanniski#The_Two_Santa_Cl... https://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/01/26/two-santa-clauses-or-how-republican-party-has-conned-america-thirty-years https://www.commondreams.org/views/2009/01/26/two-santa-clau...
peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> Berlusconi did some good things policy wise but ended up facing a system that doesn't want to change. as Italian: Berlusconi is a convicted felon who got into politics to fix his problems with the criminal law and mostly succeeded. he was the first one not wanting to change anything in Italy. He basically stalled my Country for 25 years, because that system got him where he is today. Only a fool would kill the golden goose. Trump is trying to do the same. it's not a judgment on their political affiliation, which I oppose, but that's not the issue here. the issue is they are very bad men, with very bad ideals, not surprisingly both of them admire dictators and totalitarian leaders. Berlusconi is still bragging, still today, about his close friendship with Putin. Musk is just not a political leader, yet, but as a influencial personality in the tech space his behaviour has been not very dissimilar from the other two. Using his influence to convince people to support things that would only benefit him? check Bullying competitors? (via twitter) check Bullying critics? (via twitter) check addressing other leaders like a tugh in a street fight? check seriously, this happened for real! (facepalm emoji) https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503327421839417344 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1503327421839417344 etc etc Having said that: one thing is gonna be interesting. If Elon Musk succeeds to relieve Twitter from his reliance on ads and convince enough people to actually pay for the service, making it a real product, that would make him a great entrepreneur with very bad manners, but still a bad human who is gambling with people's lives and careers just to prove a point.

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kmlx 4y ago

> skip jail i see the backlash against Musk is already at the “Trump”, “jail” levels. it’s quite funny to see so many people lose their mind over something that is of no real importance.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
I simply made a list of things important to these kind of people Musk is not at Trump level, but he already had his allegations that he called "political attacks" and that his company settled to silent them. Doesn't mean he did it, but he surely doesn't like to be on trial.