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Do you have evidence? India was one of the founders of the Non-Aligned Movement, and I believe their current stance is a result of their fidelity to the movemen

Do you have evidence? India was one of the founders of the Non-Aligned Movement, and I believe their current stance is a result of their fidelity to the movements ideals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

squarefoot 4y ago
Having evidence is impossible at this point, however there are some hints. https://www.politico.eu/article/indias-stance-on-the-ukraine-war-makes-little-sense/ https://www.politico.eu/article/indias-stance-on-the-ukraine...
- unmole 4y ago
  Again, repeated claims that India is siding with Russia proffered with no arguments whatsoever. The whole funding the invasion narrative is complete nonsense. The EU still is the largest importer of Russian crude oil, is the EU siding with Russia too?
- 1024core 4y ago
  By your reasoning, Germany and Italy are siding with Russia too, by buying Russian oil and gas. Physician, heal thyself. First let the EU stop buying Russian oil and gas, and then they can preach to others.
  - squarefoot 4y ago
    Did you read the article? "Despite U.S.-led efforts to isolate Russia’s economy and hasten the war’s end, India has chosen to increase imports of Russian oil ten-fold, while increasing that of fertilizer eight-fold. Together with China, Indian purchases of Russian goods have largely negated the effect of transatlantic energy sanctions, and India further funds Russia’s war machine by purchasing big-ticket items, such as submarines, tanks, fighter aircraft and surface-to-air missile systems — a full half of the country’s arms imports come from Russia." This is completely different from what is happening in the EU, which reduced by a lot the imports from Russia of gas, oil and other goods. My gas/electricity bills more than doubled because of it, still I'm all for cutting any support of Putin, but there's a line between that and economic suicide that at the moment can't be crossed. Ideally, we'll get there in some time; India doesn't even show they aim at that in the long run. Also, I used the word "silently" which makes a world of difference. Moreover, if you're from India and take my post as a personal attack on your nation or nationality, you are way off track.
    - mrphoebs 4y ago
      The article reads like a self serving western narrative loosely based on cherry picked facts. India has clearly stated it will buy cheap oil where ever it's available on the market, there is nothing special about russia, look up the actual quantities of oil and LNG imports from russia to india vs india's other suppliers. What made india load up on russian oil is the incredibly short-sighted and ineffective sanctions on russian oil from the west that only made russian oil available at a discount. EU didn't stop buying russian gas, russia and the nord stream pipeline saboteurs didn't give them a choice. And if you want to talk about war profiteering look to the profits of american oil and LNG companies that are replacing EU's supplies and rift it's causing between EU and USA. Energy is the lifeblood of any human society/economy, A country of 1.4 billion with a per capita GDP that india has cannot afford to take a hypocritical moral Highground when doing so in an environment with rising energy prices means people starve. Not trying to defend India here, I don't think there is anything to defend. I don't think people truly comprehend how deeply rooted agenda driven narratives are in western media. I mean it's not unique to western media but the diversity of narratives in the west unlike the sanctioned narrative in china gives people in the west this false illusion that the lens their media is seeing the world through must be accurate(it isn't). Another agenda driven narrative recently being put forward is Saudi Arabia siding with russia over the US. Why? because OPEC didn't follow US's lead on market manipulation (price caps, crude supply) and dared to think and act independently.
    - 1024core 4y ago
      I read the article. And, unlike the blatantly biased article, I used my brain cells too. "India has chosen to increase imports of Russian oil ten-fold,..." These numbers mean nothing if we don't know the absolute numbers. So, for example, if India was buying <0.1% of oil from Russia earlier, it would now by buying < 1%... In any case: India has slowed down purchases from Russia now: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Why-India-Is-Suddenly-Buying-Less-Russian-Crude.html https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Why-India-Is-Suddenly-... They have always maintained that they have a large population to support, and will go for the cheapest option out there. BTW: there is nothing stopping countries like Germany and USA from opening their checkbooks and subsidizing Indian oil purchases to help them buy more Saudi or African oil. Nothing. Don't expect a country with 1/10 the GDP of the US to harm its economy to fight someone else's war.

squarefoot 4y ago

Having evidence is impossible at this point, however there are some hints. https://www.politico.eu/article/indias-stance-on-the-ukraine-war-makes-little-sense/ https://www.politico.eu/article/indias-stance-on-the-ukraine...

unmole 4y ago
Again, repeated claims that India is siding with Russia proffered with no arguments whatsoever. The whole funding the invasion narrative is complete nonsense. The EU still is the largest importer of Russian crude oil, is the EU siding with Russia too?
1024core 4y ago
By your reasoning, Germany and Italy are siding with Russia too, by buying Russian oil and gas. Physician, heal thyself. First let the EU stop buying Russian oil and gas, and then they can preach to others.
- squarefoot 4y ago
  Did you read the article? "Despite U.S.-led efforts to isolate Russia’s economy and hasten the war’s end, India has chosen to increase imports of Russian oil ten-fold, while increasing that of fertilizer eight-fold. Together with China, Indian purchases of Russian goods have largely negated the effect of transatlantic energy sanctions, and India further funds Russia’s war machine by purchasing big-ticket items, such as submarines, tanks, fighter aircraft and surface-to-air missile systems — a full half of the country’s arms imports come from Russia." This is completely different from what is happening in the EU, which reduced by a lot the imports from Russia of gas, oil and other goods. My gas/electricity bills more than doubled because of it, still I'm all for cutting any support of Putin, but there's a line between that and economic suicide that at the moment can't be crossed. Ideally, we'll get there in some time; India doesn't even show they aim at that in the long run. Also, I used the word "silently" which makes a world of difference. Moreover, if you're from India and take my post as a personal attack on your nation or nationality, you are way off track.
  - mrphoebs 4y ago
    The article reads like a self serving western narrative loosely based on cherry picked facts. India has clearly stated it will buy cheap oil where ever it's available on the market, there is nothing special about russia, look up the actual quantities of oil and LNG imports from russia to india vs india's other suppliers. What made india load up on russian oil is the incredibly short-sighted and ineffective sanctions on russian oil from the west that only made russian oil available at a discount. EU didn't stop buying russian gas, russia and the nord stream pipeline saboteurs didn't give them a choice. And if you want to talk about war profiteering look to the profits of american oil and LNG companies that are replacing EU's supplies and rift it's causing between EU and USA. Energy is the lifeblood of any human society/economy, A country of 1.4 billion with a per capita GDP that india has cannot afford to take a hypocritical moral Highground when doing so in an environment with rising energy prices means people starve. Not trying to defend India here, I don't think there is anything to defend. I don't think people truly comprehend how deeply rooted agenda driven narratives are in western media. I mean it's not unique to western media but the diversity of narratives in the west unlike the sanctioned narrative in china gives people in the west this false illusion that the lens their media is seeing the world through must be accurate(it isn't). Another agenda driven narrative recently being put forward is Saudi Arabia siding with russia over the US. Why? because OPEC didn't follow US's lead on market manipulation (price caps, crude supply) and dared to think and act independently.
  - 1024core 4y ago
    I read the article. And, unlike the blatantly biased article, I used my brain cells too. "India has chosen to increase imports of Russian oil ten-fold,..." These numbers mean nothing if we don't know the absolute numbers. So, for example, if India was buying <0.1% of oil from Russia earlier, it would now by buying < 1%... In any case: India has slowed down purchases from Russia now: https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Why-India-Is-Suddenly-Buying-Less-Russian-Crude.html https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Why-India-Is-Suddenly-... They have always maintained that they have a large population to support, and will go for the cheapest option out there. BTW: there is nothing stopping countries like Germany and USA from opening their checkbooks and subsidizing Indian oil purchases to help them buy more Saudi or African oil. Nothing. Don't expect a country with 1/10 the GDP of the US to harm its economy to fight someone else's war.