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If all the private jets disappeared today, the impact on climate change would be negligible. Wouldn’t it be better to start somewhere in the top half of the pr

If all the private jets disappeared today, the impact on climate change would be negligible. Wouldn’t it be better to start somewhere in the top half of the problem? It we could actually delay the problem by a decade or so, technology would improve to help address climate change. Maybe fusion gets resolved in that decade, cheap hydrogen becomes possible, batteries improve, …

voakbasda 4y ago
However I would bet the people flying on those jets have a disproportionate ability to exert influence over bigger contributors. From the perspective of trying to change the “right” minds, this activism might actually be well targeted.
- melling 4y ago
  When you’re wrong what happens? Out of touch optimism is leading to an irreversible problem. I suggest reading the news. “Centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) criticized President Joe Biden for recent comments he made about shutting down coal plants across the country, decrying the idea as being “divorced from reality.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/manchin-unloads-on-biden-and-calls-him-divorced-from-reality-just-days-before-midterms https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/manchin-un...
- gruez 4y ago
  > From the perspective of trying to change the “right” minds, this activism might actually be well targeted. I'm going to go on a limb and say that the typical private jet flyer's (celerity/executive) reaction to their flights getting delayed/canceled because of climate protesters isn't going to call their political contacts to get climate legislation expedited. If you had to fill up your car and climate protesters blocked all the local petrol stations, is that going to change your mind?
  - pydry 4y ago
    From what I heard regarding a similar incident this type of thing does rattle them. Especially when their own children take the side of the protestors. It can be isolating. It might very well inhibit them from picking up that phone and lobbying to water down climate legislation.
_oyks 4y ago
Yeah I think you might be missing the point - the aim with these protests is to toe the line between getting news attention without getting it for the wrong reasons. The actual protest and the cause do not have to be perfectly matched
- melling 4y ago
  Nah, they’re climate change “alarmists”. People ignore them. It doesn’t change anyone’s mind. https://youtu.be/3E0a_60PMR8 https://youtu.be/3E0a_60PMR8 https://www.foxnews.com/media/physicist-tells-tucker-carlson-climate-change-is-fiction-of-the-media.amp https://www.foxnews.com/media/physicist-tells-tucker-carlson... Companies do make more promises they can’t keep. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/02/07/study-worlds-biggest-firms-seen-exaggerating-their-climate-actions.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/02/07/study-worlds-biggest-fir...
- voldacar 4y ago
  The point of the protests is for the protesters to signal moral righteousness
  - antiterra 4y ago
    I’m going to let you in on a secret: people can have deeply held beliefs. Yes, some people are dishonest about their opinions for political or social advantage. However, a knee jerk reaction that people vocally expressing an opinion you disagree with are simply posturing or virtue signaling is a form of denial.
    - melling 4y ago
      Which opinion do you think we disagree with? The point we really would like you to understand is that doing meaningless pointless things that accomplish nothing is wasting everyone’s time. If anything, people are making the problem worse. Peter Thiel won’t be giving up flying private anytime soon. https://youtu.be/Tl_QeSk1_4k https://youtu.be/Tl_QeSk1_4k
- veeti 4y ago
pjc50 4y ago
Difficult to ask people who take 1 flight a year to cut down if the people taking 100 flights per year won't.
- melling 4y ago
  100,000 flights every day of the year, add up to 2% of global emissions. Why would you bother asking anyone to skip a flight? How about people take a math class along with climate change
  - gtvwill 4y ago
    Well given flights is 1/50th of the equation maybe your the one that needs the math class. 50 hurdles to fix the problem is bugger all. Start w the easy shit like flights and eat the rich as we work our way back up the ladder. 1/50th is quite a large percent. Lol let's angle this another way... Would you be ok with ending the life of 2% of earth's population? I mean it's only roughly 156 million out of 7.6 billion. Drop in the ocean right? Micro percentage!
    - melling 4y ago
      Removing all 100,000 flights a day, every single day of the year sounds like quite a chore. People should drive thousands of miles instead? Hasn’t this all been explained before? Wouldn’t it be easier to replace 8500 coal plants and save a lot more emissions? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-fired_power_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-fired_power_station No one would even know their electricity came from another source. “Coal-fired power stations emit over 10 Gt of carbon dioxide each year,[4] about one fifth of world greenhouse gas emissions, so are the single largest cause of climate change” So, using that ridiculous example of 156 million people, multiply it by 10. That’s CHECKMATE!!!
1337biz 4y ago
I am 100% against these activists. But I am also 100% for targeting private jet users. Private jet users are exactly the people who push climate change policies but feel zero impact of their agenda. We have seen this over and over again from the private jet parks at climate change conferences and so on. Them having to use commercial planes would be the first time they feel some inconvenience by the policies they shape and push forward. Let's see how fast the anti private jet topic dies off.
- filoleg 4y ago
  > But I am also 100% for targeting private jet users. Private jet users are exactly the people who push climate change policies but feel zero impact of their agenda. I cannot strongly disagree with your point. But by that logic, targeting Rolls-Royce/Bentley/Aston Martin drivers (or, more specifically, owners, given they are likely to have chaffeurs), as well as house owners in Calabasas (SoCal) and Los Altos Hills (Bay Area) would work just as well.
  - Kaibeezy 4y ago
    Where precisely would you hold a demonstration to protest the widely distributed Bentleys of Calabasas? Jets tend to congregate conveniently at a small number of public locations. Their per capita emissions are egregious; their missions are frivolous. Perfect target.
    - filoleg 4y ago
      > Where precisely would you hold a demonstration to protest the widely distributed Bentleys of Calabasas? Fair point about Bentleys, but not about Calabasas. You would protest Calabasas mansion owners in Calabasas, South California. Same with Los Altos Hills mansion owners in Los Altos Hills neighborhood in Bay Area. Those two aren't brands, they are areas/neighborhoods.
bjourne 4y ago
But if all the comments from people whining about the supposed uselessness of climate change activism disappeared we might actually get somewhere!

voakbasda 4y ago

However I would bet the people flying on those jets have a disproportionate ability to exert influence over bigger contributors. From the perspective of trying to change the “right” minds, this activism might actually be well targeted.

melling 4y ago
When you’re wrong what happens? Out of touch optimism is leading to an irreversible problem. I suggest reading the news. “Centrist Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) criticized President Joe Biden for recent comments he made about shutting down coal plants across the country, decrying the idea as being “divorced from reality.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/manchin-unloads-on-biden-and-calls-him-divorced-from-reality-just-days-before-midterms https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/manchin-un...
gruez 4y ago
> From the perspective of trying to change the “right” minds, this activism might actually be well targeted. I'm going to go on a limb and say that the typical private jet flyer's (celerity/executive) reaction to their flights getting delayed/canceled because of climate protesters isn't going to call their political contacts to get climate legislation expedited. If you had to fill up your car and climate protesters blocked all the local petrol stations, is that going to change your mind?
- pydry 4y ago
  From what I heard regarding a similar incident this type of thing does rattle them. Especially when their own children take the side of the protestors. It can be isolating. It might very well inhibit them from picking up that phone and lobbying to water down climate legislation.

_oyks 4y ago

Yeah I think you might be missing the point - the aim with these protests is to toe the line between getting news attention without getting it for the wrong reasons. The actual protest and the cause do not have to be perfectly matched

melling 4y ago
Nah, they’re climate change “alarmists”. People ignore them. It doesn’t change anyone’s mind. https://youtu.be/3E0a_60PMR8 https://youtu.be/3E0a_60PMR8 https://www.foxnews.com/media/physicist-tells-tucker-carlson-climate-change-is-fiction-of-the-media.amp https://www.foxnews.com/media/physicist-tells-tucker-carlson... Companies do make more promises they can’t keep. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/02/07/study-worlds-biggest-firms-seen-exaggerating-their-climate-actions.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/02/07/study-worlds-biggest-fir...
voldacar 4y ago
The point of the protests is for the protesters to signal moral righteousness
- antiterra 4y ago
  I’m going to let you in on a secret: people can have deeply held beliefs. Yes, some people are dishonest about their opinions for political or social advantage. However, a knee jerk reaction that people vocally expressing an opinion you disagree with are simply posturing or virtue signaling is a form of denial.
  - melling 4y ago
    Which opinion do you think we disagree with? The point we really would like you to understand is that doing meaningless pointless things that accomplish nothing is wasting everyone’s time. If anything, people are making the problem worse. Peter Thiel won’t be giving up flying private anytime soon. https://youtu.be/Tl_QeSk1_4k https://youtu.be/Tl_QeSk1_4k
veeti 4y ago

pjc50 4y ago

Difficult to ask people who take 1 flight a year to cut down if the people taking 100 flights per year won't.

melling 4y ago
100,000 flights every day of the year, add up to 2% of global emissions. Why would you bother asking anyone to skip a flight? How about people take a math class along with climate change
- gtvwill 4y ago
  Well given flights is 1/50th of the equation maybe your the one that needs the math class. 50 hurdles to fix the problem is bugger all. Start w the easy shit like flights and eat the rich as we work our way back up the ladder. 1/50th is quite a large percent. Lol let's angle this another way... Would you be ok with ending the life of 2% of earth's population? I mean it's only roughly 156 million out of 7.6 billion. Drop in the ocean right? Micro percentage!
  - melling 4y ago
    Removing all 100,000 flights a day, every single day of the year sounds like quite a chore. People should drive thousands of miles instead? Hasn’t this all been explained before? Wouldn’t it be easier to replace 8500 coal plants and save a lot more emissions? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-fired_power_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal-fired_power_station No one would even know their electricity came from another source. “Coal-fired power stations emit over 10 Gt of carbon dioxide each year,[4] about one fifth of world greenhouse gas emissions, so are the single largest cause of climate change” So, using that ridiculous example of 156 million people, multiply it by 10. That’s CHECKMATE!!!

1337biz 4y ago

I am 100% against these activists. But I am also 100% for targeting private jet users. Private jet users are exactly the people who push climate change policies but feel zero impact of their agenda. We have seen this over and over again from the private jet parks at climate change conferences and so on. Them having to use commercial planes would be the first time they feel some inconvenience by the policies they shape and push forward. Let's see how fast the anti private jet topic dies off.

filoleg 4y ago
> But I am also 100% for targeting private jet users. Private jet users are exactly the people who push climate change policies but feel zero impact of their agenda. I cannot strongly disagree with your point. But by that logic, targeting Rolls-Royce/Bentley/Aston Martin drivers (or, more specifically, owners, given they are likely to have chaffeurs), as well as house owners in Calabasas (SoCal) and Los Altos Hills (Bay Area) would work just as well.
- Kaibeezy 4y ago
  Where precisely would you hold a demonstration to protest the widely distributed Bentleys of Calabasas? Jets tend to congregate conveniently at a small number of public locations. Their per capita emissions are egregious; their missions are frivolous. Perfect target.
  - filoleg 4y ago
    > Where precisely would you hold a demonstration to protest the widely distributed Bentleys of Calabasas? Fair point about Bentleys, but not about Calabasas. You would protest Calabasas mansion owners in Calabasas, South California. Same with Los Altos Hills mansion owners in Los Altos Hills neighborhood in Bay Area. Those two aren't brands, they are areas/neighborhoods.

bjourne 4y ago

But if all the comments from people whining about the supposed uselessness of climate change activism disappeared we might actually get somewhere!