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About political messages on the Rust blog

34 points by throwup 4y ago

red_Seashell_32 4y ago
Since when anti-violence and anti-genocide is being "woke progressive "? This blog sounds like political message saying that we should ignore those events And as far as I know, Ukraine and russia is hear nearby, in Eastern Europe, so it’s definitely not US-centric. Nor is murdery of women in Iraq.
- lost_tourist 4y ago
  Because rust is a tool and not a soapbox. I mean I can't stop them from supporting whatever cause, but I don't care to hear it and I'm 100% for the Iranian people "removing" the current regime and starting an egalitarian democracy.
- ksec 4y ago
  The author didn't explicitly state anti-violence and anti-genocide is being "woke progressive. But a lot of other messages from Rust or any other Tech circles within US are "woke progressive". If I was to guess the author deliberately left those example out for obvious reasons. Especially when many of them are well known SJWs.
  - paulgb 4y ago
    The author said: > Also, let’s stop mincing words for a second: a big part of the issue is that these messages are progressive, and reflect a progressive agenda. The author is speaking specifically about the messages that come from the Rust core team (in their capacity as the Rust core team), and identifies three examples. While all of them are things that most US-based people who describe themselves as progressive probably agree with, none of them are particularly progressive and only the police brutality one is particularly US-centric.
rektide 4y ago
> Many people are opposed to the use of a tech forum to broadcast political messages. 'There are literally dozens of us!' Alas there probably are more maldeveloped, who insist on neutral spaces, that cannot handle basic decency & morality & solidarity for suffering people. > And these asides have each been posted as-is, with no justification behind them and no hint that a justification is even necessary or wanted. Solidarity for the suffering & basic humam rights are pretty obvious causes to most. ot having your nation invaded is a pretty obvious cause. Not being persecuted by religious morality police is pretty obvious cause. > There’s a clear disconnect in the community: for some people, these messages are so self-evident that they shouldn’t even be considered political. For some people, they reflect a worldview that they don’t necessarily agree with, and when they don’t, still don’t want to be pushed without their input in the name of a community they’re participating in. These absolutely are political messages, and thats not denied or suppressed. Its politics against dictatorial control, against authoritarian regimes, against use of excess force by governments against the people. Open source communities are founded around a personal empowerment & right to explore, right to create, are created under conditions of peace not fear, personal growth & developmemt not suppression & regime. To find affinity between open source & these moral political causes against abominations is unsurprising. > Also, let’s stop mincing words for a second: a big part of the issue is that these messages are progressive, and reflect a progressive agenda. So is open source. It believes in progress, possibility, developmemt, furthering humanity. It shares liberally, believes strongly in the common good. Open source is political, and it's left. It's practically communist. > A lot of people in the Rust community aren’t progressive, or not progressive of the specific US flavor that dominates western social media, and so feel extremely threatened when the Rust blog makes these political statements. Write a shorter screed daying you disagree & collect some countersigners. That you are uncomfortable with a basic display of morality is, I generally feel, not a problem & ylI dont feel bad for you. But you have options (if you arent in Iran, if you arent in Russia, if you are not being persecuted by a local police force) & you can day so & if you really really cant stand morality happening in your presence you can fork & leave & vote eith your feet, because you are free to do so.
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neetdeth 4y ago
Great post, and the best point is highlighted in bold. > Yes, the issues the blog mentioned were real human rights issues, but selective coverage of human rights is propaganda. Russia’s primary internal justification for war is based around a human rights argument regarding the ethnic Russians in the East. Similarly, many US interventions around the world. I guess people here will say our concerns are totally valid and theirs are fake. Western governments don’t lie. When your scope of concern maps 1:1 to that of the State Department, though, it’s a fair question to ask what’s your motivation for amplifying these messages. Yes, what’s happening in Iran is bad - what do you want done about it exactly? Because certain people in the US government have ideas about that which may not exactly improve the situation.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  Western governments lie all the time. You are absolutely correct to assume that the State Department’s interests in Iran do not necessarily align with Iranians who want to live under a non-autocratic government. At the same time: you are wrong to insinuate that the Rust project’s motivations (or anyone’s really) are those of any government or state’s. The unrest in Iran has the world’s eye; there is nothing about the situation that suggests ulterior motives.
  - neetdeth 4y ago
    To be clear, I’m not imputing motive directly to the Rust project. I think the people involved have consumed so much American state-affiliated media that they simply don’t ask themselves these questions.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      > I think the people involved have consumed so much American state-affiliated media that they simply don’t ask themselves these questions. Influence is one of these “how’s the water” problems. We don’t have any evidence that Rust’s release team is getting their viewpoints from state-affiliated media any more than they’re getting them from Iranian dissidents on Twitter. To put it another way: interests align all the time, and evidence of their alignment is not evidence of influence (much less collusion).
Scaevolus 4y ago
Heaven forbid uppity open source developers have opinions outside of their projects! It's bad enough we have to tolerate their fussy "licenses" and "proper attribution" while suffering maintainers rudely closing bugs as "wontfix" and not prioritizing patches that are crucial for the *important* commercial usages.
- readthenotes1 4y ago
  So is it all just whining or is Rust prohibited for use in Russia and Iran?
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tomp 4y ago
> Putin’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine > Democratic People's Republic of Korea
- selivanovp 4y ago
  Yeah, some people are brainwashed to the level they don’t even recognize that they’re spreading propaganda themselves.
  - unglaublich 4y ago
    "Brainwashed" - Someone you don't agree with on the internet.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
I go back and forth on this. If you're there for the Rust, you're probably not there for the politics. If the blog is about Rust, it's counterproductive to make it about Rust+politics, because the set of people interested in that is strictly smaller than the set of people interested in Rust. On the other hand, I'm a human being. I don't quit being a human being when I think about programming languages. I care about the events in Ukraine and Iran. I care about tyranny - I'm strongly against it. (And, for the record, I'm very much not "woke" or "progressive". Conservatives care about Ukraine too. Conservatives care about what the people of Iran suffer too.) So I would say that there's a close-to-universal care, just because we're human beings, and they're human beings. But if you're going to bring politics into something unrelated like programming, the issue needs to be about that universal and clear-cut. But, as others have said, then you get into the problem of selectivity. If I don't say something about everything that rises to that level, then... what? Say nothing about anything? That leaves it as a programming blog, but ignores my humanity. Start saying something about everything? That turns it into a political blog. Be selective? That raises questions about bias. There is no good answer...
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  > Say nothing about anything? That leaves it as a programming blog, but ignores my humanity. You can follow more than one blog. What downside is there to having separate blogs per concern?
- stuckinhell 4y ago
  Let's look it at the other way. I love the Washington Post, but if they started manufacturing PC's I'd have some questions.
- dmix 4y ago
  There's a time and a place for this stuff. A major programming language release notes are it.
lost_tourist 4y ago
I wish they would leave the politics out. It just bleeds unnecessary energy. Leave it up to the rest of us to argue on HN and Reddit and twitter (mastodon now?). Just keep coding. Have political positions on your own blog, not in the office or your open source project (at least if that's not its main purpose). Rust is a tool, I don't need my hammer telling me that I should stop being libertarian and join the proletariat.
stuckinhell 4y ago
The death of "god" has lead people to adopt politics as their new religion. Christian Evangelism and the Moral Majority has been replaced with Progressive US Liberalism and the Woke. It's all so annoying.
- PhasmaFelis 4y ago
  "Christian Evangelism and the Moral Majority" haven't been replaced at all. They're still alive and well and backing successful politicians.
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- timeon 4y ago
  I'm not saying that you are not right but it seems to me that you have been so close to realization but missed it because of your own believe.
- jakobnissen 4y ago
  Even if that is correct - which I don't think it is - it's not relevant to this discussion. IMO if Rust pushed christian evangelism in their release notes, the problem would be exactly the same.
mjw1007 4y ago
If a project with half a dozen developers put political messages from those developers in their release notes, I'd think that was fine. But I disapprove of the people writing the release notes for a Rust release putting messages of their choice in there, because they don't have a mandate to speak on behalf of the people whose work they're showcasing.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  IMO the same goes for packages printing political messages on startup. You don't have a right to hijack the voices of your users to spread your agenda, no matter how righteous that agenda is.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    In what sense does a startup message “hijack the voice of the user”? I don’t think anybody who uses a computer genuinely believes that the startup splash for a program expresses an opinion held by the end user; it’s not like Linux’s penguin splash communicates a private mental state about chubby penguins on my part.
    - pclmulqdq 4y ago
      Your users are people who compile software with your package. That software could be run on their server (in which case your political message appears harmlessly in their logs), or it could be distributed to other parties. Those other parties would then read in their logs, "I distribute software that has an insecure supply chain and relies on people who are not mature enough to avoid grandstanding at every opportunity."
standardUser 4y ago
> selective coverage of human rights is propaganda What absolute disingenuous horsehit to compare the murder of non-political 22-year-old woman with the murders of grown-ass journalists who have chosen a career that they are well aware comes with risks. Similarly, all three examples of political posts are unambiguously anti-violence, which makes the hypothetical comparison of cheerleading a war equally valueless.
EnKopVand 4y ago
The guiding principle of the free western world is that the government is not allowed to just murder a child because they refuse to wear a funny hat. Everyone from the most radical left to the furthest radical right should be able to agree with that principle, and if they don't, then I highly suggest everyone else tell them to fuck right off along with whatever despotic countries might take offence at this. It's not politics, it's not propaganda, it's simply what is right in our common western world view. Americans really need to get their heads out of their asses if they can get at each-others throats over this. None of you want your government to decide what sort of hats you wear, you all agree on this issue...
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  The author of the blog post isn't an American.
woodruffw 4y ago
Edit: this interpretation is incorrect. There are two conflicting positions espoused by this post: (1) that the Rust blog shouldn’t take any political stances at all, and (2) that the Rust blog correctly identified subjects of public interest and would be right to continue doing so if they broadened their scope to topics the author thinks are more important (like Assange).
- mjw1007 4y ago
  As I understand it, the position under the heading "My own take" is the one that the post's author is espousing, and the other positions they bring up are being talked _about_.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    You’re right. On re-read, there’s a clear distinction.
dagmx 4y ago
This is stupid. Mentioning a few specific issues doesn’t mean others aren’t important. This is the same cudgel used by people to silence support for specific causes by saying “well what about these other ones???” This entire post is based on a logical fallacy. So what if the posts align more with what is seen in the US? If the majority of the team are from there, then it is their every right to post those things. It is not anyone’s right here however to ask them to post about other topics. You may bring awareness to the team about those but that’s where it ends. This whole post feels like the age old: “I don’t want to think about the human element in tech, so leave it out” However tech exists to serve humanity. The compiler exists to serve people. The compiler is made by people. Therefore tech is inherently human and humans are allowed to, and should, care about what’s going on. The “I wish life wasn’t political” crowd simply aren’t at risk from the ignorance of politics. This is privilege. This is entitlement. To care about those who are at risk from political events is not a flaw and it’s really disappointing to see how many people believe that politics can be neatly boxed away.
- PoignardAzur 4y ago
  > Mentioning a few specific issues doesn’t mean others aren’t important. I got that objection enough that I think I failed at communicating my main point. I really don't want to encourage a mindset of "if you don't cover every bad thing you can't talk about any bad thing". But I think if you as an organization start to make it an habit to talk about bad things (and three times make a pattern), at some point you have to think seriously about which bad things you want to mention and why. I think there should be a documented process. Honestly, any process at all would be fine, it doesn't have to be drawn-out or rigorous. But it should exist.
  - dagmx 4y ago
    > at some point you have to think seriously about which bad things you want to mention and why. I’m confused by how you think those statements ended up there. Do you think they’re from a single random poster? Or do they just show up without thought? Clearly someone has taken a measured stance in posting about those. If that is the case, then why don’t you also believe they put serious thought into what they posted? Why is the assumption that there isn’t a process within the team? Your argument is based on a flawed assumption.
PoignardAzur 4y ago
Ah crap, now it's on Hacker News too. FWIW: I know this is a chaotic argument. I initially wrote it as a reply to another post on the internals rust forum, then I grew long enough I thought I could make it into a blog post. This isn't a manifesto, and I didn't proof-read it against every possible objection, or try to make it perfectly neutral. I do hope it's interesting.
mlindner 4y ago
Political messaging should indeed be kept out of tech. It's thinly veiled progressive agenda veiled in the form of corporate messaging.

34 points by throwup 4y ago

Since when anti-violence and anti-genocide is being "woke progressive "? This blog sounds like political message saying that we should ignore those events And as far as I know, Ukraine and russia is hear nearby, in Eastern Europe, so it’s definitely not US-centric. Nor is murdery of women in Iraq.

lost_tourist 4y ago
Because rust is a tool and not a soapbox. I mean I can't stop them from supporting whatever cause, but I don't care to hear it and I'm 100% for the Iranian people "removing" the current regime and starting an egalitarian democracy.
ksec 4y ago
The author didn't explicitly state anti-violence and anti-genocide is being "woke progressive. But a lot of other messages from Rust or any other Tech circles within US are "woke progressive". If I was to guess the author deliberately left those example out for obvious reasons. Especially when many of them are well known SJWs.
- paulgb 4y ago
  The author said: > Also, let’s stop mincing words for a second: a big part of the issue is that these messages are progressive, and reflect a progressive agenda. The author is speaking specifically about the messages that come from the Rust core team (in their capacity as the Rust core team), and identifies three examples. While all of them are things that most US-based people who describe themselves as progressive probably agree with, none of them are particularly progressive and only the police brutality one is particularly US-centric.

rektide 4y ago

> Many people are opposed to the use of a tech forum to broadcast political messages. 'There are literally dozens of us!' Alas there probably are more maldeveloped, who insist on neutral spaces, that cannot handle basic decency & morality & solidarity for suffering people. > And these asides have each been posted as-is, with no justification behind them and no hint that a justification is even necessary or wanted. Solidarity for the suffering & basic humam rights are pretty obvious causes to most. ot having your nation invaded is a pretty obvious cause. Not being persecuted by religious morality police is pretty obvious cause. > There’s a clear disconnect in the community: for some people, these messages are so self-evident that they shouldn’t even be considered political. For some people, they reflect a worldview that they don’t necessarily agree with, and when they don’t, still don’t want to be pushed without their input in the name of a community they’re participating in. These absolutely are political messages, and thats not denied or suppressed. Its politics against dictatorial control, against authoritarian regimes, against use of excess force by governments against the people. Open source communities are founded around a personal empowerment & right to explore, right to create, are created under conditions of peace not fear, personal growth & developmemt not suppression & regime. To find affinity between open source & these moral political causes against abominations is unsurprising. > Also, let’s stop mincing words for a second: a big part of the issue is that these messages are progressive, and reflect a progressive agenda. So is open source. It believes in progress, possibility, developmemt, furthering humanity. It shares liberally, believes strongly in the common good. Open source is political, and it's left. It's practically communist. > A lot of people in the Rust community aren’t progressive, or not progressive of the specific US flavor that dominates western social media, and so feel extremely threatened when the Rust blog makes these political statements. Write a shorter screed daying you disagree & collect some countersigners. That you are uncomfortable with a basic display of morality is, I generally feel, not a problem & ylI dont feel bad for you. But you have options (if you arent in Iran, if you arent in Russia, if you are not being persecuted by a local police force) & you can day so & if you really really cant stand morality happening in your presence you can fork & leave & vote eith your feet, because you are free to do so.

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neetdeth 4y ago

Great post, and the best point is highlighted in bold. > Yes, the issues the blog mentioned were real human rights issues, but selective coverage of human rights is propaganda. Russia’s primary internal justification for war is based around a human rights argument regarding the ethnic Russians in the East. Similarly, many US interventions around the world. I guess people here will say our concerns are totally valid and theirs are fake. Western governments don’t lie. When your scope of concern maps 1:1 to that of the State Department, though, it’s a fair question to ask what’s your motivation for amplifying these messages. Yes, what’s happening in Iran is bad - what do you want done about it exactly? Because certain people in the US government have ideas about that which may not exactly improve the situation.

woodruffw 4y ago
Western governments lie all the time. You are absolutely correct to assume that the State Department’s interests in Iran do not necessarily align with Iranians who want to live under a non-autocratic government. At the same time: you are wrong to insinuate that the Rust project’s motivations (or anyone’s really) are those of any government or state’s. The unrest in Iran has the world’s eye; there is nothing about the situation that suggests ulterior motives.
- neetdeth 4y ago
  To be clear, I’m not imputing motive directly to the Rust project. I think the people involved have consumed so much American state-affiliated media that they simply don’t ask themselves these questions.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    > I think the people involved have consumed so much American state-affiliated media that they simply don’t ask themselves these questions. Influence is one of these “how’s the water” problems. We don’t have any evidence that Rust’s release team is getting their viewpoints from state-affiliated media any more than they’re getting them from Iranian dissidents on Twitter. To put it another way: interests align all the time, and evidence of their alignment is not evidence of influence (much less collusion).

Scaevolus 4y ago

Heaven forbid uppity open source developers have opinions outside of their projects! It's bad enough we have to tolerate their fussy "licenses" and "proper attribution" while suffering maintainers rudely closing bugs as "wontfix" and not prioritizing patches that are crucial for the *important* commercial usages.

readthenotes1 4y ago
So is it all just whining or is Rust prohibited for use in Russia and Iran?

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tomp 4y ago

> Putin’s unprovoked invasion of Ukraine > Democratic People's Republic of Korea

selivanovp 4y ago
Yeah, some people are brainwashed to the level they don’t even recognize that they’re spreading propaganda themselves.
- unglaublich 4y ago
  "Brainwashed" - Someone you don't agree with on the internet.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago

I go back and forth on this. If you're there for the Rust, you're probably not there for the politics. If the blog is about Rust, it's counterproductive to make it about Rust+politics, because the set of people interested in that is strictly smaller than the set of people interested in Rust. On the other hand, I'm a human being. I don't quit being a human being when I think about programming languages. I care about the events in Ukraine and Iran. I care about tyranny - I'm strongly against it. (And, for the record, I'm very much not "woke" or "progressive". Conservatives care about Ukraine too. Conservatives care about what the people of Iran suffer too.) So I would say that there's a close-to-universal care, just because we're human beings, and they're human beings. But if you're going to bring politics into something unrelated like programming, the issue needs to be about that universal and clear-cut. But, as others have said, then you get into the problem of selectivity. If I don't say something about everything that rises to that level, then... what? Say nothing about anything? That leaves it as a programming blog, but ignores my humanity. Start saying something about everything? That turns it into a political blog. Be selective? That raises questions about bias. There is no good answer...

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
> Say nothing about anything? That leaves it as a programming blog, but ignores my humanity. You can follow more than one blog. What downside is there to having separate blogs per concern?
stuckinhell 4y ago
Let's look it at the other way. I love the Washington Post, but if they started manufacturing PC's I'd have some questions.
dmix 4y ago
There's a time and a place for this stuff. A major programming language release notes are it.

lost_tourist 4y ago

I wish they would leave the politics out. It just bleeds unnecessary energy. Leave it up to the rest of us to argue on HN and Reddit and twitter (mastodon now?). Just keep coding. Have political positions on your own blog, not in the office or your open source project (at least if that's not its main purpose). Rust is a tool, I don't need my hammer telling me that I should stop being libertarian and join the proletariat.

stuckinhell 4y ago

The death of "god" has lead people to adopt politics as their new religion. Christian Evangelism and the Moral Majority has been replaced with Progressive US Liberalism and the Woke. It's all so annoying.

PhasmaFelis 4y ago
"Christian Evangelism and the Moral Majority" haven't been replaced at all. They're still alive and well and backing successful politicians.
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timeon 4y ago
I'm not saying that you are not right but it seems to me that you have been so close to realization but missed it because of your own believe.
jakobnissen 4y ago
Even if that is correct - which I don't think it is - it's not relevant to this discussion. IMO if Rust pushed christian evangelism in their release notes, the problem would be exactly the same.

mjw1007 4y ago

If a project with half a dozen developers put political messages from those developers in their release notes, I'd think that was fine. But I disapprove of the people writing the release notes for a Rust release putting messages of their choice in there, because they don't have a mandate to speak on behalf of the people whose work they're showcasing.

pclmulqdq 4y ago
IMO the same goes for packages printing political messages on startup. You don't have a right to hijack the voices of your users to spread your agenda, no matter how righteous that agenda is.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  In what sense does a startup message “hijack the voice of the user”? I don’t think anybody who uses a computer genuinely believes that the startup splash for a program expresses an opinion held by the end user; it’s not like Linux’s penguin splash communicates a private mental state about chubby penguins on my part.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    Your users are people who compile software with your package. That software could be run on their server (in which case your political message appears harmlessly in their logs), or it could be distributed to other parties. Those other parties would then read in their logs, "I distribute software that has an insecure supply chain and relies on people who are not mature enough to avoid grandstanding at every opportunity."

standardUser 4y ago

> selective coverage of human rights is propaganda What absolute disingenuous horsehit to compare the murder of non-political 22-year-old woman with the murders of grown-ass journalists who have chosen a career that they are well aware comes with risks. Similarly, all three examples of political posts are unambiguously anti-violence, which makes the hypothetical comparison of cheerleading a war equally valueless.

EnKopVand 4y ago

The guiding principle of the free western world is that the government is not allowed to just murder a child because they refuse to wear a funny hat. Everyone from the most radical left to the furthest radical right should be able to agree with that principle, and if they don't, then I highly suggest everyone else tell them to fuck right off along with whatever despotic countries might take offence at this. It's not politics, it's not propaganda, it's simply what is right in our common western world view. Americans really need to get their heads out of their asses if they can get at each-others throats over this. None of you want your government to decide what sort of hats you wear, you all agree on this issue...

Georgelemental 4y ago
The author of the blog post isn't an American.

woodruffw 4y ago

Edit: this interpretation is incorrect. There are two conflicting positions espoused by this post: (1) that the Rust blog shouldn’t take any political stances at all, and (2) that the Rust blog correctly identified subjects of public interest and would be right to continue doing so if they broadened their scope to topics the author thinks are more important (like Assange).

mjw1007 4y ago
As I understand it, the position under the heading "My own take" is the one that the post's author is espousing, and the other positions they bring up are being talked _about_.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  You’re right. On re-read, there’s a clear distinction.

dagmx 4y ago

This is stupid. Mentioning a few specific issues doesn’t mean others aren’t important. This is the same cudgel used by people to silence support for specific causes by saying “well what about these other ones???” This entire post is based on a logical fallacy. So what if the posts align more with what is seen in the US? If the majority of the team are from there, then it is their every right to post those things. It is not anyone’s right here however to ask them to post about other topics. You may bring awareness to the team about those but that’s where it ends. This whole post feels like the age old: “I don’t want to think about the human element in tech, so leave it out” However tech exists to serve humanity. The compiler exists to serve people. The compiler is made by people. Therefore tech is inherently human and humans are allowed to, and should, care about what’s going on. The “I wish life wasn’t political” crowd simply aren’t at risk from the ignorance of politics. This is privilege. This is entitlement. To care about those who are at risk from political events is not a flaw and it’s really disappointing to see how many people believe that politics can be neatly boxed away.

PoignardAzur 4y ago
> Mentioning a few specific issues doesn’t mean others aren’t important. I got that objection enough that I think I failed at communicating my main point. I really don't want to encourage a mindset of "if you don't cover every bad thing you can't talk about any bad thing". But I think if you as an organization start to make it an habit to talk about bad things (and three times make a pattern), at some point you have to think seriously about which bad things you want to mention and why. I think there should be a documented process. Honestly, any process at all would be fine, it doesn't have to be drawn-out or rigorous. But it should exist.
- dagmx 4y ago
  > at some point you have to think seriously about which bad things you want to mention and why. I’m confused by how you think those statements ended up there. Do you think they’re from a single random poster? Or do they just show up without thought? Clearly someone has taken a measured stance in posting about those. If that is the case, then why don’t you also believe they put serious thought into what they posted? Why is the assumption that there isn’t a process within the team? Your argument is based on a flawed assumption.

PoignardAzur 4y ago

Ah crap, now it's on Hacker News too. FWIW: I know this is a chaotic argument. I initially wrote it as a reply to another post on the internals rust forum, then I grew long enough I thought I could make it into a blog post. This isn't a manifesto, and I didn't proof-read it against every possible objection, or try to make it perfectly neutral. I do hope it's interesting.

mlindner 4y ago

Political messaging should indeed be kept out of tech. It's thinly veiled progressive agenda veiled in the form of corporate messaging.