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> I don't understand why it's so hard for everyone to just have their own blog that is twitter-sized posts and you follow the people you want or don't. comment

> I don't understand why it's so hard for everyone to just have their own blog that is twitter-sized posts and you follow the people you want or don't. comments. either you destroy UX, or you suffer intolerable levels of spam, or you roll your own pseudo captcha (“please enter the name of the original grass-type starter pokemon to comment”) that only works as long as your blog stays small and niche. and whatever you choose brings a bunch more hosting complexity compared to the low-barrier-to-entry static site generators so popular today.

ck2 4y ago
Ah but that's because all models are "opt out" where you block someone afterwards. Instead make it "opt in" The same way people browse posts to respond to, people can browse people to allow comments. Friend requests and all that. In the current world, especially post-2016, there is a greater than 50% chance any person (or bot) openly allowed to comment without approval is going to offend. Unless you are in a closed community, in which case all the twitter models are unnecessary anyway.
- mawise 4y ago
  Opt-in is key, thats how I made spam a non-issue on Haven[1]. And really it isnt anything super creative, anyone using an RSS reader for primary consumption gets the same benefits. [1] https://havenweb.org https://havenweb.org
  - colinsane 4y ago
    if i understand right, each reader has to create one account per blog they wish to comment on? if so that’s the UX element i was talking about. i follow like 200 people: i’m not gonna create 200 accounts for that. (i don’t mean to degrade your work: it’s always cool to see what people build when solving a problem they’re passionate about.)
    - mawise 4y ago
      I need a better word that Blog for Haven (feel free to make suggestions!) because 'Blog' comes with all the connotations of public posting--but everything on Haven is private. So it's worse than creating an account, you need to have the owner of that Have create an account for you; there is no self-signup. Account management is admittedly one of the weak parts of Haven's UX right now, but everything needs to be source-initiated or else spam is an even bigger issue. (That was my previous experience trying to do this on Wordpress). I've got ambitions of adopting IndieAuth and building Haven as an IndieAuth identity (IndieAuth is like Oauth, but you sign is as your domain instead of a user @ google/facebook/github/whatever). This would let account creation be more of a whitelisting process--just paste the names of the people (people identified as domains) to which you want to grant access, and authentication is handled by their own domains.

ck2 4y ago

Ah but that's because all models are "opt out" where you block someone afterwards. Instead make it "opt in" The same way people browse posts to respond to, people can browse people to allow comments. Friend requests and all that. In the current world, especially post-2016, there is a greater than 50% chance any person (or bot) openly allowed to comment without approval is going to offend. Unless you are in a closed community, in which case all the twitter models are unnecessary anyway.

mawise 4y ago
Opt-in is key, thats how I made spam a non-issue on Haven[1]. And really it isnt anything super creative, anyone using an RSS reader for primary consumption gets the same benefits. [1] https://havenweb.org https://havenweb.org
- colinsane 4y ago
  if i understand right, each reader has to create one account per blog they wish to comment on? if so that’s the UX element i was talking about. i follow like 200 people: i’m not gonna create 200 accounts for that. (i don’t mean to degrade your work: it’s always cool to see what people build when solving a problem they’re passionate about.)
  - mawise 4y ago
    I need a better word that Blog for Haven (feel free to make suggestions!) because 'Blog' comes with all the connotations of public posting--but everything on Haven is private. So it's worse than creating an account, you need to have the owner of that Have create an account for you; there is no self-signup. Account management is admittedly one of the weak parts of Haven's UX right now, but everything needs to be source-initiated or else spam is an even bigger issue. (That was my previous experience trying to do this on Wordpress). I've got ambitions of adopting IndieAuth and building Haven as an IndieAuth identity (IndieAuth is like Oauth, but you sign is as your domain instead of a user @ google/facebook/github/whatever). This would let account creation be more of a whitelisting process--just paste the names of the people (people identified as domains) to which you want to grant access, and authentication is handled by their own domains.