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I know it's a lot to expect from "drinks digest", but the rampant alcoholism in Antarctic research communities is notorious. I'm not wagging a finger here, not

I know it's a lot to expect from "drinks digest", but the rampant alcoholism in Antarctic research communities is notorious. I'm not wagging a finger here, not really, I won't blame people for responding to inhuman conditions with (copious amounts of) antifreeze, but it's jarring to see a puff piece about the fun cocktail bars which doesn't mention the accidents, assaults, and rapes, which trace directly back to drunkenness.

cromka 4y ago
This was published barely two months ago on that subject: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/01/1120518369/antarctica-sexual-harassment-assault-nsf-report https://www.npr.org/2022/09/01/1120518369/antarctica-sexual-...
dav_Oz 4y ago
Don’t know why you got downvoted but here are some relevant links about legal complications [0][1], sexual assaults [2] and alcoholism [3] on Antarctica (data mainly from US-based stations). [0]https://archive.ph/dgKwt https://archive.ph/dgKwt [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Antarctica https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Antarctica [2]https://nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=305782&org=OPP https://nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=305782&org=OPP [3]https://www.wired.com/2015/10/scientists-antarctica-drink-lot-maybe-much/ https://www.wired.com/2015/10/scientists-antarctica-drink-lo...
- speakfreely 4y ago
  Some of these read exactly as you would expect: > He stabbed Oleg Beloguzov (Олег Белогузов), a 52-year old welder, in the chest multiple times. According to some sources, the attack occurred because Beloguzov was giving away the endings of books that Savitsky checked out at the station's library.
  - PhasmaFelis 4y ago
    Was that the one where the victim testified afterwards that he had it coming?
rendall 4y ago
> doesn't mention the accidents, assaults, and rapes, which trace directly back to drunkenness. What a bizarre assertion. The number of "accidents, assaults, and rapes" across the entire continent can each be counted on one hand. It's one of the safest places in the world.
- feet 4y ago
  What is the rate per capita? How does that rate compare to other places?
  - eldaisfish 4y ago
    Be careful before relying on data, particularly data for crimes like rape. Incidents are often not reported and going solely off data, one would conclude that regions like India and sub saharan africa are safer for women than places like Sweden and the USA.
    - nnchkvfh 4y ago
      What else is there to rely on, if not data? "Lived experience" is just allegations without proof, and in aggregate it's data. Anecdotes? The word of activists that insist that a fifth of men are rapists? It's fine to say the data isn't reliable, but unreliable data about sexual assault in general isn't reason enough to conclude that McMurdo is a place overrun with rapists
      - eldaisfish 4y ago
        It is very obvious that your comment is from the perspective of a man. It is important to empathize with women and realise that “data” is not the ultimate source of truth as many supposedly data-driven but racist AI algorithms will show. Women face many structural and social objectives that make “aggregate” data on sexual violence almost meaningless and often counter-intuitive.
    - reddyalready 4y ago
      > conclude that regions like India and sub saharan africa are safer for women than places like Sweden and the USA. Do you have a reliable source for concluding either way? I ask because I've seen conflicting information about per capita statistics (pointing to India and Sub-Saharan Africa indeed being safer) and arguments that the incidences are orders of magnitude higher than reported.

cromka 4y ago

This was published barely two months ago on that subject: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/01/1120518369/antarctica-sexual-harassment-assault-nsf-report https://www.npr.org/2022/09/01/1120518369/antarctica-sexual-...

dav_Oz 4y ago

Don’t know why you got downvoted but here are some relevant links about legal complications [0][1], sexual assaults [2] and alcoholism [3] on Antarctica (data mainly from US-based stations). [0]https://archive.ph/dgKwt https://archive.ph/dgKwt [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Antarctica https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Antarctica [2]https://nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=305782&org=OPP https://nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=305782&org=OPP [3]https://www.wired.com/2015/10/scientists-antarctica-drink-lot-maybe-much/ https://www.wired.com/2015/10/scientists-antarctica-drink-lo...

speakfreely 4y ago
Some of these read exactly as you would expect: > He stabbed Oleg Beloguzov (Олег Белогузов), a 52-year old welder, in the chest multiple times. According to some sources, the attack occurred because Beloguzov was giving away the endings of books that Savitsky checked out at the station's library.
- PhasmaFelis 4y ago
  Was that the one where the victim testified afterwards that he had it coming?

rendall 4y ago

> doesn't mention the accidents, assaults, and rapes, which trace directly back to drunkenness. What a bizarre assertion. The number of "accidents, assaults, and rapes" across the entire continent can each be counted on one hand. It's one of the safest places in the world.

feet 4y ago
What is the rate per capita? How does that rate compare to other places?
- eldaisfish 4y ago
  Be careful before relying on data, particularly data for crimes like rape. Incidents are often not reported and going solely off data, one would conclude that regions like India and sub saharan africa are safer for women than places like Sweden and the USA.
  - nnchkvfh 4y ago
    What else is there to rely on, if not data? "Lived experience" is just allegations without proof, and in aggregate it's data. Anecdotes? The word of activists that insist that a fifth of men are rapists? It's fine to say the data isn't reliable, but unreliable data about sexual assault in general isn't reason enough to conclude that McMurdo is a place overrun with rapists
    - eldaisfish 4y ago
      It is very obvious that your comment is from the perspective of a man. It is important to empathize with women and realise that “data” is not the ultimate source of truth as many supposedly data-driven but racist AI algorithms will show. Women face many structural and social objectives that make “aggregate” data on sexual violence almost meaningless and often counter-intuitive.
  - reddyalready 4y ago
    > conclude that regions like India and sub saharan africa are safer for women than places like Sweden and the USA. Do you have a reliable source for concluding either way? I ask because I've seen conflicting information about per capita statistics (pointing to India and Sub-Saharan Africa indeed being safer) and arguments that the incidences are orders of magnitude higher than reported.