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> If Twitter becomes interoperable with other services, this is literally the opposite of tech neofeudalism. It's not interoperable. It's controlled by one per

> If Twitter becomes interoperable with other services, this is literally the opposite of tech neofeudalism. It's not interoperable. It's controlled by one person. Like Facebook. When that changes we can discuss it. But until then, it's just an empty promise.

inglor_cz 4y ago
It is a promise. Its value will be established sooner or later. It is too early to call any Twitter-related promise "empty". Even new governments traditionally have 100 days before it is considered fair to rip into them.
- tchaffee 4y ago
  > Even new governments traditionally have 100 days But companies do not. Buy a company and start making big mistakes and there will be consequences. The competition for users is fierce. If you want 100 days, get elected instead of being forced into buying a company you didn't really want in the first place.
  - inglor_cz 4y ago
    There will be consequences both ways. It is well possible that new Twitter will attract other people if its politics changes. Not everyone in America, much less outside it, wants to pretend that they share the values of Californian Democrats from the progressive tribe, which according to this study [0] makes up whopping 8 per cent of the American population. [0] https://hiddentribes.us/#america-s-hidden-tribes https://hiddentribes.us/#america-s-hidden-tribes
    - tchaffee 4y ago
      Lots of things are possible. But what we are discussing is why GP deleted his account: Musk and the rest of the PayPal mafia are hardcore neofeudalist libertarians. You can make all the promises and guesses about the future that you want, but until those guesses materialize, they are vaporware. People can rightly continue to leave a platform they have no interest or faith in. If any of your guesses do materialize people can presumably change their mind and come back to Twitter. > Not everyone in America, much less outside it, wants to pretend that they share the values of Californian Democrats from the progressive tribe That's not very relevant to an advertising platform. TV and radio stations rarely appeal to more than one or two tribes and both platforms are highly moderated to the point where the public has almost zero voice. Musk's dream of forcing people to tolerate free speech is rather idealistic. According to your source, if Musk wants to attract the biggest audience, he should ban politics from the platform.
- sidibe 4y ago
  > Its value will be established sooner or later. It is too early to call any Twitter-related promise "empty". By default I can't take any promise from Elon seriously, nor do I understand how anyone believes anything he says. He underestimates every problem and never has any plans until after he makes announcements. I can't believe how many "eventually" promises people will still believe from one guy who obviously makes them off the cuff with no thought whatsoever for what is involved. Half of HN seems to give way too much credit to hot air from this guy, he's announced (and taken money for!) many many things coming imminently years ago.
  - tchaffee 4y ago
    Self driving cars any day now. https://electrek.co/2022/09/15/tesla-facing-class-action-lawsuit-over-misleading-claims-self-driving/ https://electrek.co/2022/09/15/tesla-facing-class-action-law...

inglor_cz 4y ago

It is a promise. Its value will be established sooner or later. It is too early to call any Twitter-related promise "empty". Even new governments traditionally have 100 days before it is considered fair to rip into them.

tchaffee 4y ago
> Even new governments traditionally have 100 days But companies do not. Buy a company and start making big mistakes and there will be consequences. The competition for users is fierce. If you want 100 days, get elected instead of being forced into buying a company you didn't really want in the first place.
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  There will be consequences both ways. It is well possible that new Twitter will attract other people if its politics changes. Not everyone in America, much less outside it, wants to pretend that they share the values of Californian Democrats from the progressive tribe, which according to this study [0] makes up whopping 8 per cent of the American population. [0] https://hiddentribes.us/#america-s-hidden-tribes https://hiddentribes.us/#america-s-hidden-tribes
  - tchaffee 4y ago
    Lots of things are possible. But what we are discussing is why GP deleted his account: Musk and the rest of the PayPal mafia are hardcore neofeudalist libertarians. You can make all the promises and guesses about the future that you want, but until those guesses materialize, they are vaporware. People can rightly continue to leave a platform they have no interest or faith in. If any of your guesses do materialize people can presumably change their mind and come back to Twitter. > Not everyone in America, much less outside it, wants to pretend that they share the values of Californian Democrats from the progressive tribe That's not very relevant to an advertising platform. TV and radio stations rarely appeal to more than one or two tribes and both platforms are highly moderated to the point where the public has almost zero voice. Musk's dream of forcing people to tolerate free speech is rather idealistic. According to your source, if Musk wants to attract the biggest audience, he should ban politics from the platform.
sidibe 4y ago
> Its value will be established sooner or later. It is too early to call any Twitter-related promise "empty". By default I can't take any promise from Elon seriously, nor do I understand how anyone believes anything he says. He underestimates every problem and never has any plans until after he makes announcements. I can't believe how many "eventually" promises people will still believe from one guy who obviously makes them off the cuff with no thought whatsoever for what is involved. Half of HN seems to give way too much credit to hot air from this guy, he's announced (and taken money for!) many many things coming imminently years ago.
- tchaffee 4y ago
  Self driving cars any day now. https://electrek.co/2022/09/15/tesla-facing-class-action-lawsuit-over-misleading-claims-self-driving/ https://electrek.co/2022/09/15/tesla-facing-class-action-law...