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Part of the reason this is gettting attention right now is that its users added a note to a White House tweet that was accurate, informative, and so politically

by makomk 4y ago

Part of the reason this is gettting attention right now is that its users added a note to a White House tweet that was accurate, informative, and so politically embarassing they deleted the tweet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33472161 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33472161 This is a tad different from the previous approach which involved third-party fact checkers that were, uh, visibly slanted towards the Democrats to put it lightly (and whenever a non-Democrat-aligned news source got blessed as a fact checker by a masjor social media network there was a major media storm over it).

blamazon 4y ago
- GameOfFrowns 4y ago
  >There is an expression of speech: 'reality has a documented liberal bias.' There is also another popular expression: 'Get woke, go broke.'
  - blamazon 4y ago
    First I've heard that one - trying to take it at face value, is the thesis that truth, equity, justice, etc should (must?) be discarded or suppressed if there is money to be made in the short term?
    - jimmygrapes 4y ago
      It's more like: focusing the marketing or intended audience of product on the smallest viable minority of potential customers with the intentional exclusion and or derision of other potential customers is not generally a profitable marketing strategy. Exceptions that prove the rule are those that focus on exclusivity or rarity, such as products that truly only are needed/desired by a niche audience but at a higher cost to make up for the lack of broad appeal/availability. Movies and TV shows (about which the "get woke, go broke" saying originated) don't fall under that sort of exclusivity-at-a-higher-price concept. Intentionally alienating 80% of your customer base to appeal to 20% is a risky strategy.
  - theCrowing 4y ago
    I mean I get it as a slight offhand joke but the most succesful companies are "woke" asf. Apple, Nike, most car manufacturers...
- iinnPP 4y ago
  In the last two years I have come to put much more importance on the freedom of association. The linked article is a fantastic example of what. "Partial truth" and "missing context" can be said about absolutely everything. Who was it that chopped up a journalist and enjoys the association of a world figure? Quite a few people. Let's condemn the lot.
- origin_path 4y ago
  "the modern republican party has aligned with groups centered around anti-truth tactics and ideas" Did fact checkers tell you that?
  - tchaffee 4y ago
    Several Republican friends are dead now due to Covid because they believed the anti-truth ideas being spread by GOP media about the vaccines. Darwin awards are indeed one of the ultimate fact checkers.
  - blamazon 4y ago
    I have lost friends and family to this nonsense. Both literally, to antivax Covid deaths in '20-'21, and figuratively, to the insane and ever-escalating pizzagate-style conspiracy networks from which adherents rarely emerge. Would you count those as fact checkers?
    - 8note 4y ago
      I would. Reality is the best fact checker

by makomk 4y ago

blamazon 4y ago

GameOfFrowns 4y ago
>There is an expression of speech: 'reality has a documented liberal bias.' There is also another popular expression: 'Get woke, go broke.'
- blamazon 4y ago
  First I've heard that one - trying to take it at face value, is the thesis that truth, equity, justice, etc should (must?) be discarded or suppressed if there is money to be made in the short term?
  - jimmygrapes 4y ago
    It's more like: focusing the marketing or intended audience of product on the smallest viable minority of potential customers with the intentional exclusion and or derision of other potential customers is not generally a profitable marketing strategy. Exceptions that prove the rule are those that focus on exclusivity or rarity, such as products that truly only are needed/desired by a niche audience but at a higher cost to make up for the lack of broad appeal/availability. Movies and TV shows (about which the "get woke, go broke" saying originated) don't fall under that sort of exclusivity-at-a-higher-price concept. Intentionally alienating 80% of your customer base to appeal to 20% is a risky strategy.
- theCrowing 4y ago
  I mean I get it as a slight offhand joke but the most succesful companies are "woke" asf. Apple, Nike, most car manufacturers...
iinnPP 4y ago
In the last two years I have come to put much more importance on the freedom of association. The linked article is a fantastic example of what. "Partial truth" and "missing context" can be said about absolutely everything. Who was it that chopped up a journalist and enjoys the association of a world figure? Quite a few people. Let's condemn the lot.
origin_path 4y ago
"the modern republican party has aligned with groups centered around anti-truth tactics and ideas" Did fact checkers tell you that?
- tchaffee 4y ago
  Several Republican friends are dead now due to Covid because they believed the anti-truth ideas being spread by GOP media about the vaccines. Darwin awards are indeed one of the ultimate fact checkers.
- blamazon 4y ago
  I have lost friends and family to this nonsense. Both literally, to antivax Covid deaths in '20-'21, and figuratively, to the insane and ever-escalating pizzagate-style conspiracy networks from which adherents rarely emerge. Would you count those as fact checkers?
  - 8note 4y ago
    I would. Reality is the best fact checker