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Or the simpler answer that doesn't fit your narrative is that lots of folks don't like Musk and his actions and his approach to running businesses. Lots of peop

Or the simpler answer that doesn't fit your narrative is that lots of folks don't like Musk and his actions and his approach to running businesses. Lots of people find Musk repulsive. It shouldn't be a surprise that those people want to leave.

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
- tchaffee 4y ago
  I said some people don't like him. I guess it's also true some people find him despicable. What's your point?
dools 4y ago
That’s why I deleted my account. Musk and the rest of the PayPal mafia are hardcore neofeudalist libertarians, a movement that has gradually infected more and more of the tech world.
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  If Twitter becomes interoperable with other services, this is literally the opposite of tech neofeudalism. Tech neofeudalism manifests itself as walled gardens where the cost of leaving is very high for the serfs.
  - tchaffee 4y ago
    > If Twitter becomes interoperable with other services, this is literally the opposite of tech neofeudalism. It's not interoperable. It's controlled by one person. Like Facebook. When that changes we can discuss it. But until then, it's just an empty promise.
    - inglor_cz 4y ago
      It is a promise. Its value will be established sooner or later. It is too early to call any Twitter-related promise "empty". Even new governments traditionally have 100 days before it is considered fair to rip into them.
      - tchaffee 4y ago
        > Even new governments traditionally have 100 days But companies do not. Buy a company and start making big mistakes and there will be consequences. The competition for users is fierce. If you want 100 days, get elected instead of being forced into buying a company you didn't really want in the first place.
        inglor_cz 4y ago
        There will be consequences both ways. It is well possible that new Twitter will attract other people if its politics changes. Not everyone in America, much less outside it, wants to pretend that they share the values of Californian Democrats from the progressive tribe, which according to this study [0] makes up whopping 8 per cent of the American population. [0] https://hiddentribes.us/#america-s-hidden-tribes https://hiddentribes.us/#america-s-hidden-tribes
        tchaffee 4y ago
        Lots of things are possible. But what we are discussing is why GP deleted his account: Musk and the rest of the PayPal mafia are hardcore neofeudalist libertarians. You can make all the promises and guesses about the future that you want, but until those guesses materialize, they are vaporware. People can rightly continue to leave a platform they have no interest or faith in. If any of your guesses do materialize people can presumably change their mind and come back to Twitter. > Not everyone in America, much less outside it, wants to pretend that they share the values of Californian Democrats from the progressive tribe That's not very relevant to an advertising platform. TV and radio stations rarely appeal to more than one or two tribes and both platforms are highly moderated to the point where the public has almost zero voice. Musk's dream of forcing people to tolerate free speech is rather idealistic. According to your source, if Musk wants to attract the biggest audience, he should ban politics from the platform.
  - dools 4y ago
    I don’t mean he’s a tech neofeudalist, I mean he is an ancap small government libertarian. Like he wants to do away with government (except for enforcing property rights) and have crypto currency instead of a real currency with no taxation and everything privatised/user pays.
pie_flavor 4y ago
This simpler answer never seems to be the correct one, every[0] single[1] time[2]. It's much easier to say you're going to move than move. [0]: https://www.mattmaldre.com/2017/08/02/people-leave-reddit/ https://www.mattmaldre.com/2017/08/02/people-leave-reddit/ [1]: https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/trump-fans-leave-twitter-after-presidents-suspension/ https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/trump-fans-leave-twitter-after... [2]: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/facebook-outage-leads-to-massive-user-exodus-to-telegram-signal/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/facebook-ou...
- tchaffee 4y ago
  That doesn't tell the real story though. Actual alternatives to these services do exist now and have some popularity. So some people do actually move. MySpace is an example of an eventual mass exodus. Anecdotal, but I personally know a handful of people who deleted their Facebook account and use other platforms instead. So it does happen. The question is whether or not it affects their advertising revenue in the long run. Zucks's solution so far seems to have been buying up the competition. It's not out of the question that one of these massively popular social networks will collapse in the next decade.
kcplate 4y ago
Wanting to leave on principle, but unable to leave because of your own impulses and needs are two different things. Personally I bet most folks come back after the dust settles, and I bet Musk is banking on that. Case in point: I still see the “coexist” and lefty bumper stickers in the cars ahead of me at chick-fil-a drive through line pretty regularly. Everybody wants to protest and boycott products until you have that itch that only a spicy chicken biscuit can scratch.

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago

tchaffee 4y ago
I said some people don't like him. I guess it's also true some people find him despicable. What's your point?

dools 4y ago

That’s why I deleted my account. Musk and the rest of the PayPal mafia are hardcore neofeudalist libertarians, a movement that has gradually infected more and more of the tech world.

inglor_cz 4y ago
If Twitter becomes interoperable with other services, this is literally the opposite of tech neofeudalism. Tech neofeudalism manifests itself as walled gardens where the cost of leaving is very high for the serfs.
- tchaffee 4y ago
  > If Twitter becomes interoperable with other services, this is literally the opposite of tech neofeudalism. It's not interoperable. It's controlled by one person. Like Facebook. When that changes we can discuss it. But until then, it's just an empty promise.
  - inglor_cz 4y ago
    It is a promise. Its value will be established sooner or later. It is too early to call any Twitter-related promise "empty". Even new governments traditionally have 100 days before it is considered fair to rip into them.
    - tchaffee 4y ago
      > Even new governments traditionally have 100 days But companies do not. Buy a company and start making big mistakes and there will be consequences. The competition for users is fierce. If you want 100 days, get elected instead of being forced into buying a company you didn't really want in the first place.
      - inglor_cz 4y ago
        There will be consequences both ways. It is well possible that new Twitter will attract other people if its politics changes. Not everyone in America, much less outside it, wants to pretend that they share the values of Californian Democrats from the progressive tribe, which according to this study [0] makes up whopping 8 per cent of the American population. [0] https://hiddentribes.us/#america-s-hidden-tribes https://hiddentribes.us/#america-s-hidden-tribes
        tchaffee 4y ago
        Lots of things are possible. But what we are discussing is why GP deleted his account: Musk and the rest of the PayPal mafia are hardcore neofeudalist libertarians. You can make all the promises and guesses about the future that you want, but until those guesses materialize, they are vaporware. People can rightly continue to leave a platform they have no interest or faith in. If any of your guesses do materialize people can presumably change their mind and come back to Twitter. > Not everyone in America, much less outside it, wants to pretend that they share the values of Californian Democrats from the progressive tribe That's not very relevant to an advertising platform. TV and radio stations rarely appeal to more than one or two tribes and both platforms are highly moderated to the point where the public has almost zero voice. Musk's dream of forcing people to tolerate free speech is rather idealistic. According to your source, if Musk wants to attract the biggest audience, he should ban politics from the platform.
- dools 4y ago
  I don’t mean he’s a tech neofeudalist, I mean he is an ancap small government libertarian. Like he wants to do away with government (except for enforcing property rights) and have crypto currency instead of a real currency with no taxation and everything privatised/user pays.

pie_flavor 4y ago

This simpler answer never seems to be the correct one, every[0] single[1] time[2]. It's much easier to say you're going to move than move. [0]: https://www.mattmaldre.com/2017/08/02/people-leave-reddit/ https://www.mattmaldre.com/2017/08/02/people-leave-reddit/ [1]: https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/trump-fans-leave-twitter-after-presidents-suspension/ https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/trump-fans-leave-twitter-after... [2]: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/facebook-outage-leads-to-massive-user-exodus-to-telegram-signal/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/facebook-ou...

tchaffee 4y ago
That doesn't tell the real story though. Actual alternatives to these services do exist now and have some popularity. So some people do actually move. MySpace is an example of an eventual mass exodus. Anecdotal, but I personally know a handful of people who deleted their Facebook account and use other platforms instead. So it does happen. The question is whether or not it affects their advertising revenue in the long run. Zucks's solution so far seems to have been buying up the competition. It's not out of the question that one of these massively popular social networks will collapse in the next decade.

kcplate 4y ago

Wanting to leave on principle, but unable to leave because of your own impulses and needs are two different things. Personally I bet most folks come back after the dust settles, and I bet Musk is banking on that. Case in point: I still see the “coexist” and lefty bumper stickers in the cars ahead of me at chick-fil-a drive through line pretty regularly. Everybody wants to protest and boycott products until you have that itch that only a spicy chicken biscuit can scratch.