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All love is irrational. I would still rather love. Some people stay because they care, no need to be disparaging of them. You and I would not enjoy the peace an

All love is irrational. I would still rather love. Some people stay because they care, no need to be disparaging of them. You and I would not enjoy the peace and comfort of the modern world without it because somebody is irrationally willing to live/die for you and me.

dmix 4y ago
There's nothing wrong with nationalism. But typically your sales pitch has to be your country is actually good, not we have to force you (and millions of others) to be here otherwise it won't be good.
- alserio 4y ago
  There can be a lot wrong with nationalism, depending on the definition. I love "us" can also be I hate "the others". And quickly become "the others must not exist". For some arbitrary distinction of what is "us" and what is "others".
  - eklavya 4y ago
    Sure, I grew up with a moral system which teaches, all world is your family. Of course, you will feel closer to the ones you live with, just like any big family.
- eklavya 4y ago
  No, no sales pitch needed. You either already love your community and your country or you don't. No one should force themselves or others to love or hate it.
  - achrono 4y ago
    Sales pitches are needed -- everywhere. The level of pride in being American that Democrats have by and large is still a kind of nationalism, albeit surely a more nuanced and conscientious one than the ones Republicans have (again by and large). Can't comment on which side is actually better for the country (that's politics), but my point is that Democrats (and allied liberals) are hypocritical in the sense that their pride is supposedly healthy patriotism while another's pride is 'nationalism'. Ultimataly both Democrats and Republicans are sustained by extensive sales pitches of what America (TM) is all about. Democrats seem to think their politics represents the One Final Political Solution to End Misery Everywhere, but it is still based on aforementioned sales pitches all around ("We're on the Good side!").

dmix 4y ago

There's nothing wrong with nationalism. But typically your sales pitch has to be your country is actually good, not we have to force you (and millions of others) to be here otherwise it won't be good.

alserio 4y ago
There can be a lot wrong with nationalism, depending on the definition. I love "us" can also be I hate "the others". And quickly become "the others must not exist". For some arbitrary distinction of what is "us" and what is "others".
- eklavya 4y ago
  Sure, I grew up with a moral system which teaches, all world is your family. Of course, you will feel closer to the ones you live with, just like any big family.
eklavya 4y ago
No, no sales pitch needed. You either already love your community and your country or you don't. No one should force themselves or others to love or hate it.
- achrono 4y ago
  Sales pitches are needed -- everywhere. The level of pride in being American that Democrats have by and large is still a kind of nationalism, albeit surely a more nuanced and conscientious one than the ones Republicans have (again by and large). Can't comment on which side is actually better for the country (that's politics), but my point is that Democrats (and allied liberals) are hypocritical in the sense that their pride is supposedly healthy patriotism while another's pride is 'nationalism'. Ultimataly both Democrats and Republicans are sustained by extensive sales pitches of what America (TM) is all about. Democrats seem to think their politics represents the One Final Political Solution to End Misery Everywhere, but it is still based on aforementioned sales pitches all around ("We're on the Good side!").