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Im still confused about the rationale of having the start of Standard Time in late October instead of September. In Europe, this was a purely British thing, th

by mxfh 4y ago

Im still confused about the rationale of having the start of Standard Time in late October instead of September. In Europe, this was a purely British thing, that got later harmonized into the EU convention in 1996. But unable to make out how the Brits came up with that late October date instead of keeping it around the equinox dates and having about equal lengths for the DST and standard time intervals. https://www.polyomino.org.uk/british-time/ https://www.polyomino.org.uk/british-time/ https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/1995.html https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/1995.html vs https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/1996.html https://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/1996.html

jrochkind1 4y ago
The USA delayed it until the first Sunday in november in 2009. I have no idea what the rationale for this was either. I guess people like it? (I mean, I like it too, I think). The wikipedia says: > The United States Chamber of Commerce has praised the extension of daylight saving under the 2005 law, which increased the amount of shopping and commerce from after work in evenings. In the golf industry, the group has noted exceptional increase in revenue of "$200 million in additional sales of golf clubs and greens fees".[25] The extension of daylight saving has also had a notable impact on Halloween and candy sales.[26] Wyoming senator Michael Enzi and Michigan representative Fred Upton advocated the extension from October into November especially to allow children to go trick-or-treating in more daylight.[27] In some areas, the extension of daylight saving time in March and November has pushed back sunrise to as late as 8:30 a.m.[26] —https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_United_States#2005%E2%80%932009:_Second_extension https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_Un... So, uh... golf? That can't be it. I think people just like the extra daylight in the evening? Until it gets too far into winter and they don't like the dark in the morning, depending on where they live?
- ghaff 4y ago
  That's pretty much the logic especially at higher latitudes. People generally like more light in the evening rather than at 5am. But even though there really isn't enough light to go around in the morning in the winter months, people want to at least try to avoid sending kids to school (in particular) at zero dark thirty. (Have a 4:30a airport pickup on Sunday.)
  - mxfh 4y ago
    But that's not how it works, having Standard time in early October would actually help with reaching school with natural light in more cases and have why did they hose to have one month less of this effect on only one side of the curve. Why not start with Summer Time in February then already. It's that assymetry that irks me most. [1] My question is more with the rationale of 1940s UK [2] (other than to confuse the Germans), where this habit with late October date and 5/7 months started. While the rest of Europe had a September date and 6/6 up to 1996. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_daylight_saving_time#/media/File:Greenwich_GB_DaylightChart.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_daylight_saving_ti... [2] https://www.polyomino.org.uk/british-time/ https://www.polyomino.org.uk/british-time/
- Fatnino 4y ago
  The November start time keeps halloween and the kids trick-or-treating in the evening from being after dark.
AndrewDucker 4y ago
Here in Edinburgh, it means that we switch over just as leaving the house at 8am to take the kids to school happens in the dark, to make it so that that happens in the light again. Of course, if that's the aim, then we should switch back again at the start of March.

by mxfh 4y ago

jrochkind1 4y ago

The USA delayed it until the first Sunday in november in 2009. I have no idea what the rationale for this was either. I guess people like it? (I mean, I like it too, I think). The wikipedia says: > The United States Chamber of Commerce has praised the extension of daylight saving under the 2005 law, which increased the amount of shopping and commerce from after work in evenings. In the golf industry, the group has noted exceptional increase in revenue of "$200 million in additional sales of golf clubs and greens fees".[25] The extension of daylight saving has also had a notable impact on Halloween and candy sales.[26] Wyoming senator Michael Enzi and Michigan representative Fred Upton advocated the extension from October into November especially to allow children to go trick-or-treating in more daylight.[27] In some areas, the extension of daylight saving time in March and November has pushed back sunrise to as late as 8:30 a.m.[26] —https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_United_States#2005%E2%80%932009:_Second_extension https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_in_the_Un... So, uh... golf? That can't be it. I think people just like the extra daylight in the evening? Until it gets too far into winter and they don't like the dark in the morning, depending on where they live?

ghaff 4y ago
That's pretty much the logic especially at higher latitudes. People generally like more light in the evening rather than at 5am. But even though there really isn't enough light to go around in the morning in the winter months, people want to at least try to avoid sending kids to school (in particular) at zero dark thirty. (Have a 4:30a airport pickup on Sunday.)
- mxfh 4y ago
  But that's not how it works, having Standard time in early October would actually help with reaching school with natural light in more cases and have why did they hose to have one month less of this effect on only one side of the curve. Why not start with Summer Time in February then already. It's that assymetry that irks me most. [1] My question is more with the rationale of 1940s UK [2] (other than to confuse the Germans), where this habit with late October date and 5/7 months started. While the rest of Europe had a September date and 6/6 up to 1996. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_daylight_saving_time#/media/File:Greenwich_GB_DaylightChart.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_daylight_saving_ti... [2] https://www.polyomino.org.uk/british-time/ https://www.polyomino.org.uk/british-time/
Fatnino 4y ago
The November start time keeps halloween and the kids trick-or-treating in the evening from being after dark.

AndrewDucker 4y ago

Here in Edinburgh, it means that we switch over just as leaving the house at 8am to take the kids to school happens in the dark, to make it so that that happens in the light again. Of course, if that's the aim, then we should switch back again at the start of March.