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"I was happy to do free work for that billionaire, he's part of the same ideology I've been born into. But now that it's this other billionaire, I cannot contin

"I was happy to do free work for that billionaire, he's part of the same ideology I've been born into. But now that it's this other billionaire, I cannot continue."

DanHulton 4y ago
That is absolutely not what they said, and you are being disingenuous by pretending that it is.
- sshine 4y ago
  The point being made that Twitter was owned by rich people before Elon bought it.
  - oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
    Sure, but people aren't primarily complaining that musk is rich. That's a convenient 'bonus gripe' but the main issues are his political leanings and his apparent disregard for the company's workers.
  - tchaffee 4y ago
    Twitter was also owned by average people. As are the vast majority of publicly traded companies.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
      This is false, unless you mean "pension funds". Most people do not own individual stocks. And in fact, most people do not own stocks at all. The set of stock-owning people is far from average.
      - tchaffee 4y ago
        Only one average person needs to own Twitter stock for my statement to be true. And the number was far higher than one. And yes, of course pension funds count. Why wouldn't they?
newswasboring 4y ago
I don't see a problem with this, except being born into an ideology. Most people these days have chosen one and cultivated it according to their life. I think my ideology is good, if it wasn't I would change it to be the good version. So why would I not work with someone who shares mine? Billionaire or not.
- luckylion 4y ago
  You don't choose your ideology, it's assigned by the tooth fairy when you lose your first tooth. Alternatively, it seems to have a significant genetic component, and most of the rest will depend on the environment you grow up in. Choice isn't part of it, you don't evaluate all the possibilities and then pick the best one, you think the one you're part of is the best one because it intuitively made sense to you. The rest is rationalization.
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    Most people I know have the opposite ideology from their parents, who had the opposite ideology of their own. Many people change their ideologies throughout life, as incentives and personal experience pushes them (e.g. having a bad experience with a certain political party can often sour you to their whole ideology). It's true that I don't live in America, so maybe there is a difference, but you definitely are not describing a human truth.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      Studies suggest that genes play a significant role, and obviously there's an environmental component (ie your upbringing, for which your parents are very important but many other factors play a role, too). Hence you generally take on the ideology around you, even if that may slowly shift between generations (but it seems that people also simply have a different mindset at 20 vs at 40, so when you ask them at 20, they're very different from their parents, but that often changes when they are in similar circumstances as their parents). Of course, some people do change their ideology later in life (which I don't think is the right term, because they don't actively change it, it's more that they change and their ideology is part of them), but that's not common, and overall it's remarkably stable.
Barrin92 4y ago
There's a real difference between a company on the public markets and a private one. American capitalism always had a democratic bent of everyone being part of the success story by owning stock and companies being aligned with the public broadly through market signals. There's a big difference between a company answering to a usually diverse and accessible set of shareholders and a Bladerunner-esque trillionaire who uses it for whatever he wants.

"I was happy to do free work for that billionaire, he's part of the same ideology I've been born into. But now that it's this other billionaire, I cannot continue."

DanHulton 4y ago

That is absolutely not what they said, and you are being disingenuous by pretending that it is.

sshine 4y ago
The point being made that Twitter was owned by rich people before Elon bought it.
- oneeyedpigeon 4y ago
  Sure, but people aren't primarily complaining that musk is rich. That's a convenient 'bonus gripe' but the main issues are his political leanings and his apparent disregard for the company's workers.
- tchaffee 4y ago
  Twitter was also owned by average people. As are the vast majority of publicly traded companies.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    This is false, unless you mean "pension funds". Most people do not own individual stocks. And in fact, most people do not own stocks at all. The set of stock-owning people is far from average.
    - tchaffee 4y ago
      Only one average person needs to own Twitter stock for my statement to be true. And the number was far higher than one. And yes, of course pension funds count. Why wouldn't they?

newswasboring 4y ago

I don't see a problem with this, except being born into an ideology. Most people these days have chosen one and cultivated it according to their life. I think my ideology is good, if it wasn't I would change it to be the good version. So why would I not work with someone who shares mine? Billionaire or not.

luckylion 4y ago
You don't choose your ideology, it's assigned by the tooth fairy when you lose your first tooth. Alternatively, it seems to have a significant genetic component, and most of the rest will depend on the environment you grow up in. Choice isn't part of it, you don't evaluate all the possibilities and then pick the best one, you think the one you're part of is the best one because it intuitively made sense to you. The rest is rationalization.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  Most people I know have the opposite ideology from their parents, who had the opposite ideology of their own. Many people change their ideologies throughout life, as incentives and personal experience pushes them (e.g. having a bad experience with a certain political party can often sour you to their whole ideology). It's true that I don't live in America, so maybe there is a difference, but you definitely are not describing a human truth.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    Studies suggest that genes play a significant role, and obviously there's an environmental component (ie your upbringing, for which your parents are very important but many other factors play a role, too). Hence you generally take on the ideology around you, even if that may slowly shift between generations (but it seems that people also simply have a different mindset at 20 vs at 40, so when you ask them at 20, they're very different from their parents, but that often changes when they are in similar circumstances as their parents). Of course, some people do change their ideology later in life (which I don't think is the right term, because they don't actively change it, it's more that they change and their ideology is part of them), but that's not common, and overall it's remarkably stable.

Barrin92 4y ago

There's a real difference between a company on the public markets and a private one. American capitalism always had a democratic bent of everyone being part of the success story by owning stock and companies being aligned with the public broadly through market signals. There's a big difference between a company answering to a usually diverse and accessible set of shareholders and a Bladerunner-esque trillionaire who uses it for whatever he wants.