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> I love reveddit.com, it's hilarious to look at the typical r/science post and see 60%+ of comments removed on average (the 'controversial' ones go 75%+). Yea

by rhaksw 4y ago

> I love reveddit.com, it's hilarious to look at the typical r/science post and see 60%+ of comments removed on average (the 'controversial' ones go 75%+). Yeah I mention r/science at 7:00 in the linked video. > If the moderators agree with the study there is zero dissent tolerated. This subreddit has something like 1000+ moderators and they remove any comments that doesn't fit into Reddit's very narrowly defined overton window. Not just people being off-topic or taboo... but often anyone who questions the studies being posted. I'm sure that's true. I haven't looked at the exact biases in that group too much. For awhile I was collecting examples of biased removals in certain groups, but that was just so I could come up with relatable stories to tell. I disagree with pretty much every secretive removal. Even in cases where someone is threatening violence I wonder whether we should keep such a removal secret from the author: an extremist in a given group, whose views went unchallenged, may perceive silence as agreement and therefore believe they're part of a team when in fact they're not. > My only critique is that it doesn't work with Firefox. I have to pull up Chrome which I only use for work. Do you have a social media profile to follow/provide feedback to? It does work on Firefox but you have to disable tracking protection [1]. The reason is because Reddit, to which Reveddit obviously must connect, appears on an arbitrary list of domains that Firefox's partner Disconnect.me considers to be "trackers" [2]. That list breaks tons of websites that are tracked and seemingly ignored in this 8 year old bug [https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101005 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1101005]. The bug is updated with new sites almost every day. I'm not up to date on how browsers or standards are changing, but I'm guessing the Disconnect.me list is a hack until a better solution can be found. I don't know of a better solution. I'm all ears if you have one provided it doesn't cost me more or hurt the site's operation by putting its logic on a server [3]. [1] https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#firefox https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#firefox [2] https://github.com/disconnectme/disconnect-tracking-protection/blob/b3f9cdcea541ab876e63970daadc490f9de2befa/services.json#L10851 https://github.com/disconnectme/disconnect-tracking-protecti... [3] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.privacy/XO84EzrwWp0 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.privacy/...

Dah00n 4y ago
Blocking trackers is a feature not a bug. Disagreeing with what belongs on the list is fine of course but it isn't a bug. IMO Reddit belongs there equally as much or as little as Google and Facebook.
- rhaksw 4y ago
  > Blocking trackers is a feature not a bug. I didn't say it was a bug, I said the list of websites broken by that feature are tracked in a bug.
dmix 4y ago
> I don't know of a better solution. I'm all ears if you have one No, that makes sense. I see you've added a modal that explains how to get it to work with FF. My bad, I think I used Unddit in the past which didn't say this. I'll use Reveddit instead. Besides maybe a web extension that somehow bypasses those controls? (idk if that works). > Yeah I mention r/science at 7:00 in the linked video. Thanks I'll watch the video tomorrow. Appreciate your work.
- rhaksw 4y ago
  > I see you've added a modal that explains how to get it to work with FF. My bad, I think I used Unddit in the past which didn't say this. I'll use Reveddit instead. No worries. I'll just share the differences with Unddit here for any interested. AFAIK Unddit only works with threads, whereas Reveddit works with nearly any type of Reddit page, including subreddits and domains. And last I checked, Unddit shows a limited number of comments up front, whereas Reveddit loads them all. So if a thread has more than 1,000 comments, and you visit an Unddit link, it might be missing some, and you won't know to check for more unless you know how the site works. In my opinion, that's unintuitive, so I choose to load everything up front. Also, Unddit shows user-deleted comments [1] while Reveddit does not [2]. The most distinguishing features of Reveddit IMO are that it works with user pages, can restore comments from user pages, has an extension that can notify you of removals when they occur [3], it has more filters, sort options, etc. > Besides maybe a web extension that somehow bypasses those controls? (idk if that works). Well that's basically what the modal describes. You can customize where you want to turn it off, no extension needed. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/qiwurl/what_happened_to_removedditcom/hin7wbe/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/qiwurl/what_happ... [2] https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#user-deleted https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#user-deleted [3] https://www.reveddit.com/add-ons/direct/ https://www.reveddit.com/add-ons/direct/
dmix 4y ago
One more question I just thought of. When I use services like Reveddit I often notice [removed too quickly] where I'm guessing moderators get to it before the scraper can archive it. What type of timeframe do you guys typically work with before it gets removed? Any ideas on how to improve the capture times? Also are you looking for dev help with your project?
- rhaksw 4y ago
  > When I use services like Reveddit I often notice [removed too quickly] where I'm guessing moderators get to it before the scraper can archive it. What type of timeframe do you guys typically work with before it gets removed? Any ideas on how to improve the capture times? Current capture time is noted in the status on Reveddit.com/info [1]. That blue box will show up in threads when the capture time is delayed more than the standard, which I think is typically under a minute. The content for [removed] comments in threads comes from another third party service called Pushshift. It isn't able to get many auto-removed comments (such as those removed by Automoderator), and that service sometimes goes down, may fail to ingest something, etc. In an attempt to fill some of these gaps, Reveddit can restore some unarchived comments by searching the user pages of other commenters in the thread. And if you visit Reveddit via a direct link to a removed comment, such as from the button that is provided under such comments by the Reveddit Linker extension [2], then it will try to auto-load those comments this way. Otherwise you can click Restore to do it manually. Almost all of the features on the site should be documented in either a bubble or the FAQ. If you see something that you think needs a help bubble, or a better description, let me know. > Also are you looking for dev help with your project? Sure! The code is on Github. Feel free to brainstorm via issues, email, or submit PRs. My main focus now is raising awareness so it would be great to have backfill on keeping the code functional. [1] https://www.reveddit.com/info https://www.reveddit.com/info [2] https://www.reveddit.com/add-ons/linker https://www.reveddit.com/add-ons/linker
  - dmix 4y ago
    > Reveddit can restore some unarchived comments by searching the user pages of other commenters in the thread. Clever
loceng 4y ago
Doing keyword analysis (and perhaps sentiment analysis) could be a really powerful/valuable way to see what subreddits have what ideological biases, most especially political-heavy subreddits; in particular ON KEYWORDS/topics in DELETED COMMENTS. For example, /r/CanadaPolitics - the moderator /u/_Minor_Annoyance (a username that fits into the category of "demon troll" nicknames that Jordan Peterson has defined) is heavily biased to the Liberal party of Canada/the establishment narrative, and anyone who questions or posts anything (truthful) that counters their narrative or makes the "Liberals" or Trudeau look bad gets deleted most commonly (even if highly detailed and very substantive) under the subreddit's "Rule 3 - Not substantive": "Keep submissions and comments substantive." It's sickening [if you understand the consequences of it].

by rhaksw 4y ago

Dah00n 4y ago

Blocking trackers is a feature not a bug. Disagreeing with what belongs on the list is fine of course but it isn't a bug. IMO Reddit belongs there equally as much or as little as Google and Facebook.

rhaksw 4y ago
> Blocking trackers is a feature not a bug. I didn't say it was a bug, I said the list of websites broken by that feature are tracked in a bug.

dmix 4y ago

> I don't know of a better solution. I'm all ears if you have one No, that makes sense. I see you've added a modal that explains how to get it to work with FF. My bad, I think I used Unddit in the past which didn't say this. I'll use Reveddit instead. Besides maybe a web extension that somehow bypasses those controls? (idk if that works). > Yeah I mention r/science at 7:00 in the linked video. Thanks I'll watch the video tomorrow. Appreciate your work.

rhaksw 4y ago
> I see you've added a modal that explains how to get it to work with FF. My bad, I think I used Unddit in the past which didn't say this. I'll use Reveddit instead. No worries. I'll just share the differences with Unddit here for any interested. AFAIK Unddit only works with threads, whereas Reveddit works with nearly any type of Reddit page, including subreddits and domains. And last I checked, Unddit shows a limited number of comments up front, whereas Reveddit loads them all. So if a thread has more than 1,000 comments, and you visit an Unddit link, it might be missing some, and you won't know to check for more unless you know how the site works. In my opinion, that's unintuitive, so I choose to load everything up front. Also, Unddit shows user-deleted comments [1] while Reveddit does not [2]. The most distinguishing features of Reveddit IMO are that it works with user pages, can restore comments from user pages, has an extension that can notify you of removals when they occur [3], it has more filters, sort options, etc. > Besides maybe a web extension that somehow bypasses those controls? (idk if that works). Well that's basically what the modal describes. You can customize where you want to turn it off, no extension needed. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/qiwurl/what_happened_to_removedditcom/hin7wbe/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/qiwurl/what_happ... [2] https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#user-deleted https://www.reveddit.com/about/faq/#user-deleted [3] https://www.reveddit.com/add-ons/direct/ https://www.reveddit.com/add-ons/direct/

dmix 4y ago

One more question I just thought of. When I use services like Reveddit I often notice [removed too quickly] where I'm guessing moderators get to it before the scraper can archive it. What type of timeframe do you guys typically work with before it gets removed? Any ideas on how to improve the capture times? Also are you looking for dev help with your project?

rhaksw 4y ago
> When I use services like Reveddit I often notice [removed too quickly] where I'm guessing moderators get to it before the scraper can archive it. What type of timeframe do you guys typically work with before it gets removed? Any ideas on how to improve the capture times? Current capture time is noted in the status on Reveddit.com/info [1]. That blue box will show up in threads when the capture time is delayed more than the standard, which I think is typically under a minute. The content for [removed] comments in threads comes from another third party service called Pushshift. It isn't able to get many auto-removed comments (such as those removed by Automoderator), and that service sometimes goes down, may fail to ingest something, etc. In an attempt to fill some of these gaps, Reveddit can restore some unarchived comments by searching the user pages of other commenters in the thread. And if you visit Reveddit via a direct link to a removed comment, such as from the button that is provided under such comments by the Reveddit Linker extension [2], then it will try to auto-load those comments this way. Otherwise you can click Restore to do it manually. Almost all of the features on the site should be documented in either a bubble or the FAQ. If you see something that you think needs a help bubble, or a better description, let me know. > Also are you looking for dev help with your project? Sure! The code is on Github. Feel free to brainstorm via issues, email, or submit PRs. My main focus now is raising awareness so it would be great to have backfill on keeping the code functional. [1] https://www.reveddit.com/info https://www.reveddit.com/info [2] https://www.reveddit.com/add-ons/linker https://www.reveddit.com/add-ons/linker
- dmix 4y ago
  > Reveddit can restore some unarchived comments by searching the user pages of other commenters in the thread. Clever

loceng 4y ago

Doing keyword analysis (and perhaps sentiment analysis) could be a really powerful/valuable way to see what subreddits have what ideological biases, most especially political-heavy subreddits; in particular ON KEYWORDS/topics in DELETED COMMENTS. For example, /r/CanadaPolitics - the moderator /u/_Minor_Annoyance (a username that fits into the category of "demon troll" nicknames that Jordan Peterson has defined) is heavily biased to the Liberal party of Canada/the establishment narrative, and anyone who questions or posts anything (truthful) that counters their narrative or makes the "Liberals" or Trudeau look bad gets deleted most commonly (even if highly detailed and very substantive) under the subreddit's "Rule 3 - Not substantive": "Keep submissions and comments substantive." It's sickening [if you understand the consequences of it].