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What??? Anyone with a 4k TV that uses netflix is watching 4k a good portion of teh time. What does time with TV on matter? Plus, most new shows are in 4k includ

What??? Anyone with a 4k TV that uses netflix is watching 4k a good portion of teh time. What does time with TV on matter? Plus, most new shows are in 4k including kids shows.

jbverschoor 4y ago
Anyone with a 4K TV who has the premium subscription, and has manually changed their settings. From Netflix: Basic ($8.99 per month): Standard definition (480p) content on a single screen at a time. Standard ($12.99 per month): High definition (up to 1080p) content on two screens at a time. Premium ($15.99 per month): Ultra HD (up to 4K) content on four screens at a time. Some people complain about the 4K quality. From Netflix: High definition (HD) 720p: 3 Mbps Full high definition (FHD) 1080p: 5 Mbps 4K/Ultra HD (UHD) 4K: 15 Mbps So 1 hour of 4K video is 60x60x15/8 = almost 7GB That's 142 hours of watching Netflix (outside the nightly window) almost 5 hours per day. I can assure you Netflix doesn't make that much good stuff
- Firmwarrior 4y ago
  Thanks for linking some actual data I can confirm that my wife and kid easily blow through 500 gigs a month just watching TV. The wife likes to leave the news channel on all day, and I don't think that's a ghastly, unheard-of, abusive thing to do with a TV If I leave any games on auto-update and work from home all month, we get pretty close to Comcast's 1.2TB cap every month The cap-free usage at night is nice, though. Assuming we don't all start streaming 3D point cloud videos or meshes and textures any time soon, that should keep the service comfortably usable for a few people at a time all month.
  - Jedd 4y ago
    > The wife likes to leave the news channel on all day, and I don't think that's a ghastly, unheard-of, abusive thing to do with a TV. Are you using Starlink, or are you one of those people commenting on this thread about how much bandwidth you use on non-satellite services? In any case, I understand that you don't think it's ghastly to leave 'TV on in the background all the time, every day', but please understand in return that the rest of us contending for the same network resources don't think this is reasonable. > If I leave any games on auto-update and work from home all month, we get pretty close to Comcast's 1.2TB cap every month. This sounds like this acceptable usage policy doesn't affect you at all, in any way. Also, that you're unaware that your auto-update games download manager has a facility to schedule downloads at certain times of the day.
    - Firmwarrior 4y ago
      To bring things back around for you: You strongly implied that any household that uses a terabyte per month outside of late night hours is "abusing" the service. I'm just here to explain that you're wrong in your accusation. It's very easy to hit that cap with a moderately-sized family doing normal things all month, no piracy needed.
      - Jedd 4y ago
        You didn't answer my question - are you a Starlink customer, and are you impacted by this policy change? > You strongly implied that any household that uses a terabyte per month outside of late night hours is "abusing" the service. This is at best incomplete, or at worst incorrect. I said that for the Starlink service people consuming excessive network bandwidth are abusing the service - because they're impacting the performance for 'normal' users -- a set that includes me. If you're consuming more than 1TB on a service that isn't as physically restricted as a LEO satellite service, well good for you. This story is about Starlink changing their terms and conditions to limit the impact of inconsiderate users. Aside - my gut feel is that they're actually targeting the >10TB / month users, or some other relatively high threshold of really heavy & persistent users, but by simply stating a ceiling they're tacitly saying anything up to that volume is okay - and they don't want to normalise really large volumes, hence picking a 1TB figure.
        Firmwarrior 4y ago
        We are altering the terms and conditions. Pray we don't alter them further.
        Jedd 4y ago
        So this doesn't affect you at all.
  - jbverschoor 4y ago
    I haven't had a recent console for quite a while, but can't you just set it to automatically download (not install) downloads at night? So many people are complaining (and rightly so) about having to wait before playing The news is one situation a lot of people have it just on. Not much to do about that, even though they're repeating the same items over and over again. Netflix asks you every few hours if you're still watching. Would be great to have some sort of 'attention' detection, for example some gaze tracking camera in your tv, so it can automatically switch between SD and 4K, but also dim the backlight to save energy. I'm just not sure if I would want a camera in my tv which checks if I actually look at it.

What??? Anyone with a 4k TV that uses netflix is watching 4k a good portion of teh time. What does time with TV on matter? Plus, most new shows are in 4k including kids shows.

jbverschoor 4y ago

Anyone with a 4K TV who has the premium subscription, and has manually changed their settings. From Netflix: Basic ($8.99 per month): Standard definition (480p) content on a single screen at a time. Standard ($12.99 per month): High definition (up to 1080p) content on two screens at a time. Premium ($15.99 per month): Ultra HD (up to 4K) content on four screens at a time. Some people complain about the 4K quality. From Netflix: High definition (HD) 720p: 3 Mbps Full high definition (FHD) 1080p: 5 Mbps 4K/Ultra HD (UHD) 4K: 15 Mbps So 1 hour of 4K video is 60x60x15/8 = almost 7GB That's 142 hours of watching Netflix (outside the nightly window) almost 5 hours per day. I can assure you Netflix doesn't make that much good stuff

Firmwarrior 4y ago
Thanks for linking some actual data I can confirm that my wife and kid easily blow through 500 gigs a month just watching TV. The wife likes to leave the news channel on all day, and I don't think that's a ghastly, unheard-of, abusive thing to do with a TV If I leave any games on auto-update and work from home all month, we get pretty close to Comcast's 1.2TB cap every month The cap-free usage at night is nice, though. Assuming we don't all start streaming 3D point cloud videos or meshes and textures any time soon, that should keep the service comfortably usable for a few people at a time all month.
- Jedd 4y ago
  > The wife likes to leave the news channel on all day, and I don't think that's a ghastly, unheard-of, abusive thing to do with a TV. Are you using Starlink, or are you one of those people commenting on this thread about how much bandwidth you use on non-satellite services? In any case, I understand that you don't think it's ghastly to leave 'TV on in the background all the time, every day', but please understand in return that the rest of us contending for the same network resources don't think this is reasonable. > If I leave any games on auto-update and work from home all month, we get pretty close to Comcast's 1.2TB cap every month. This sounds like this acceptable usage policy doesn't affect you at all, in any way. Also, that you're unaware that your auto-update games download manager has a facility to schedule downloads at certain times of the day.
  - Firmwarrior 4y ago
    To bring things back around for you: You strongly implied that any household that uses a terabyte per month outside of late night hours is "abusing" the service. I'm just here to explain that you're wrong in your accusation. It's very easy to hit that cap with a moderately-sized family doing normal things all month, no piracy needed.
    - Jedd 4y ago
      You didn't answer my question - are you a Starlink customer, and are you impacted by this policy change? > You strongly implied that any household that uses a terabyte per month outside of late night hours is "abusing" the service. This is at best incomplete, or at worst incorrect. I said that for the Starlink service people consuming excessive network bandwidth are abusing the service - because they're impacting the performance for 'normal' users -- a set that includes me. If you're consuming more than 1TB on a service that isn't as physically restricted as a LEO satellite service, well good for you. This story is about Starlink changing their terms and conditions to limit the impact of inconsiderate users. Aside - my gut feel is that they're actually targeting the >10TB / month users, or some other relatively high threshold of really heavy & persistent users, but by simply stating a ceiling they're tacitly saying anything up to that volume is okay - and they don't want to normalise really large volumes, hence picking a 1TB figure.
      - Firmwarrior 4y ago
        We are altering the terms and conditions. Pray we don't alter them further.
        Jedd 4y ago
        So this doesn't affect you at all.
- jbverschoor 4y ago
  I haven't had a recent console for quite a while, but can't you just set it to automatically download (not install) downloads at night? So many people are complaining (and rightly so) about having to wait before playing The news is one situation a lot of people have it just on. Not much to do about that, even though they're repeating the same items over and over again. Netflix asks you every few hours if you're still watching. Would be great to have some sort of 'attention' detection, for example some gaze tracking camera in your tv, so it can automatically switch between SD and 4K, but also dim the backlight to save energy. I'm just not sure if I would want a camera in my tv which checks if I actually look at it.