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My observation of 'free speech' zones is that they turn into 'safe space' zones as soon as you post something left-wing in them.

by vkou 4y ago

cycomanic 4y ago
Yes the irony of r/conservatives one of the most ban happy reddits, where the posters all vehemently promote how pro freespeech they are.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > one of the most ban happy reddits There are so many subreddits that are so ban-happy they'll ban you just for daring to participate in another subreddit that they don't like, that if one doesn't do that, I don't think it can qualify as "one of the most ban happy" ones.
MacsHeadroom 4y ago
I spent months starting arguments daily on Parler and Gab by convincingly playing the character of a pansexual Soros funded double vaxxed, anti-2A, pro-abortion, climate science worshiping socialist and never got shadow banned, canceled, kicked, or warned in any way. So in my experience they very much did NOT become safe spaces, even when faced with every idea I could think of which could be considered solidly "left."
- troad 4y ago
  That's an... interesting hobby.
- Matl 4y ago
  That sounds like you're playing the exact caricature of what they think 'the left' is so it's valuable to have you around as a sort of prototypical 'see, you don't want to be like him'. In other words, you help them keep people away from 'the left' so there's no reason to ban you.
- KingMob 4y ago
  Probably because you provided them the liberal fantasy they wanted to shout at.
Matl 4y ago
I host my own Mastodon instance and my policy is to generally not block people. I've been blocked by more 'free speech' instances than I can count after responding to their arguments with a left-wing perspective. Yet they complain loudly about being blocked by 'progressive safe spaces'. They also tend to speak favorably about certain U.S. Republicans whom they say are pro free-speech and when you point out they are pro banning (BDS as an example), you either get instantly blocked or they suddenly 'are tired of this conversation and no longer wish to engage'. Oh the irony.
- Cyberdog 4y ago
  Did you make the arguments in good faith and in a manner inviting productive discourse, or did you mock and name-call? I'm not saying that doing the former won't get you blocked too by rightists who basically just want their own echo chambers, but the latter seems to be the default level of discourse on Twitter when talking to the "other," so if that's what you defaulted to, I'm not too surprised you were shown the door. Still others would rather just have a place to avoid politics altogether. My main account is on phpc.social which is supposed to be a hub for the PHP community, but recently there's been an uptick of people joining (or re-activating old accounts) and posting or reposting political nonsense. Quite annoying.
  - Matl 4y ago
    > Did you make the arguments in good faith and in a manner inviting productive discourse, or did you mock and name-call? I specifically joined Mastodon to escape that and to try and see what the other side is really about. There are two broad categories of 'rightists' on Mastodon - the ones who are just looking to be provocative and then there are the ones who present themselves as more serious. The first camp are non-serious trolls seeking to enrage, so I did not engage with them. The 'serious' ones are generally posting all kinds of things incl. toots I sometimes like and agree with and so I follow some of these accounts. The problem with the second category is that when it comes to political discussions they tend to retreat to the same level of discourse as the trolls often. For example say a discussion turns to Jeremy Corbyn; they'll refuse to look at/read anything that suggests against him being what they believe him being, (some kind of CCP agent/extremist sympathizer/left of Mao communist that would've crashed the UK economy, ironic as that may sound atm). Everything suggesting otherwise is some kind of a leftist rag apparently, but baseless accusation pieces confirming their bias I should take as authoritative. Not seeing a contradiction between cheering the firing of a left-leaning professor and supposedly being pro free speech or endorsing someone who is for banning BDS as being pro free speech. It also tends to happen that if I do admit some of their points as valid, they tend to take it as some sort of a big win and basically present it as a complete win for their argument, ignoring the points I countered them on completely. Everything seems to be a contest to own me and this is with people who outside of politics seem to be posting about tech, music or whatever. It's extremely hard for me to find any right-leaning person on there who wants to find things we agree on, exchange civil views on things we don't and basically reach out in good faith. I know people like that are out there, but it doesn't seem to me like they number many, not on Mastodon for sure.

My observation of 'free speech' zones is that they turn into 'safe space' zones as soon as you post something left-wing in them.

by vkou 4y ago

My observation of 'free speech' zones is that they turn into 'safe space' zones as soon as you post something left-wing in them.

cycomanic 4y ago

Yes the irony of r/conservatives one of the most ban happy reddits, where the posters all vehemently promote how pro freespeech they are.

josephcsible 4y ago
> one of the most ban happy reddits There are so many subreddits that are so ban-happy they'll ban you just for daring to participate in another subreddit that they don't like, that if one doesn't do that, I don't think it can qualify as "one of the most ban happy" ones.

MacsHeadroom 4y ago

I spent months starting arguments daily on Parler and Gab by convincingly playing the character of a pansexual Soros funded double vaxxed, anti-2A, pro-abortion, climate science worshiping socialist and never got shadow banned, canceled, kicked, or warned in any way. So in my experience they very much did NOT become safe spaces, even when faced with every idea I could think of which could be considered solidly "left."

troad 4y ago
That's an... interesting hobby.
Matl 4y ago
That sounds like you're playing the exact caricature of what they think 'the left' is so it's valuable to have you around as a sort of prototypical 'see, you don't want to be like him'. In other words, you help them keep people away from 'the left' so there's no reason to ban you.
KingMob 4y ago
Probably because you provided them the liberal fantasy they wanted to shout at.

Matl 4y ago

I host my own Mastodon instance and my policy is to generally not block people. I've been blocked by more 'free speech' instances than I can count after responding to their arguments with a left-wing perspective. Yet they complain loudly about being blocked by 'progressive safe spaces'. They also tend to speak favorably about certain U.S. Republicans whom they say are pro free-speech and when you point out they are pro banning (BDS as an example), you either get instantly blocked or they suddenly 'are tired of this conversation and no longer wish to engage'. Oh the irony.

Cyberdog 4y ago
Did you make the arguments in good faith and in a manner inviting productive discourse, or did you mock and name-call? I'm not saying that doing the former won't get you blocked too by rightists who basically just want their own echo chambers, but the latter seems to be the default level of discourse on Twitter when talking to the "other," so if that's what you defaulted to, I'm not too surprised you were shown the door. Still others would rather just have a place to avoid politics altogether. My main account is on phpc.social which is supposed to be a hub for the PHP community, but recently there's been an uptick of people joining (or re-activating old accounts) and posting or reposting political nonsense. Quite annoying.
- Matl 4y ago
  > Did you make the arguments in good faith and in a manner inviting productive discourse, or did you mock and name-call? I specifically joined Mastodon to escape that and to try and see what the other side is really about. There are two broad categories of 'rightists' on Mastodon - the ones who are just looking to be provocative and then there are the ones who present themselves as more serious. The first camp are non-serious trolls seeking to enrage, so I did not engage with them. The 'serious' ones are generally posting all kinds of things incl. toots I sometimes like and agree with and so I follow some of these accounts. The problem with the second category is that when it comes to political discussions they tend to retreat to the same level of discourse as the trolls often. For example say a discussion turns to Jeremy Corbyn; they'll refuse to look at/read anything that suggests against him being what they believe him being, (some kind of CCP agent/extremist sympathizer/left of Mao communist that would've crashed the UK economy, ironic as that may sound atm). Everything suggesting otherwise is some kind of a leftist rag apparently, but baseless accusation pieces confirming their bias I should take as authoritative. Not seeing a contradiction between cheering the firing of a left-leaning professor and supposedly being pro free speech or endorsing someone who is for banning BDS as being pro free speech. It also tends to happen that if I do admit some of their points as valid, they tend to take it as some sort of a big win and basically present it as a complete win for their argument, ignoring the points I countered them on completely. Everything seems to be a contest to own me and this is with people who outside of politics seem to be posting about tech, music or whatever. It's extremely hard for me to find any right-leaning person on there who wants to find things we agree on, exchange civil views on things we don't and basically reach out in good faith. I know people like that are out there, but it doesn't seem to me like they number many, not on Mastodon for sure.