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Ironically their site tagline is "democracy dies in darkness"

by throwawaycdf 4y ago

SanjayMehta 4y ago
The Guardian's comment section was called "Comment is Free," but was heavily moderated.
- jen20 4y ago
  Gratis vs Libre, perhaps. It’s a shame English is so stunted in this regard.
rossjudson 4y ago
Was there a specific instance you can point out where the Post got its facts wrong, and didn't correct it?
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- throwqwwy123 4y ago
  - IIAOPSW 4y ago
    Was there a specific instance you can point out where the Post got its facts wrong, and didn't correct it?
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    - throwqwwy123 4y ago
      An org thats concerned about democracy should not let ads which lie and opinion pieces without fact checking not allowed. That's what I expect but You may have diff standards
      - happymellon 4y ago
        Was there a specific instance you can point out where the Post got its facts wrong, and didn't correct it?
        snehk 4y ago
        Yes, they printed the lies about WMDs and put out loads and loads of articles in support of the war.
        speleding 4y ago
        At that point in time as Sadam had just used WMDs against the Kurds and many observes thought it likely he had not all of a sudden stopped having them. That no one found any WMDs later on does not make reporting what intelligence agencies said at the time “lying”. Do you have any information that the Washington Post was reporting something they knew to be untrue _at the time_?
        cmmeur01 4y ago
        Taking what intelligence agency’s say at face value isn’t reporting, you’re just a state mouthpiece.
        speleding 4y ago
        At the time it was very reasonable to assume Saddam had (more) WMDs. Stating otherwise is suffering from hindsight bias, there is really no reason to assume malice here.
        snehk 4y ago
        That's just not true. The "source" for US intelligence was called Curveball and the information came from Germany. The German intelligence service, BND, warned the US multiple times that the information was made up. Even the CIA's head of the European division Tyler Drumheller said that he warned George Tenet that the information was unreliable[2]. Tyler Drumheller also said that "everyone in the chain of command knew exactly what was happening"[3]. The informant was called: - "crazy … out of control" (by German Intelligence) - "congenital liar" (by Friends) - "an alcoholic" (by US physician) [4] UN weapons inspectors said at the time that the US is deliberately ignoring their information. They KNEW for a fact that the information was false. It's not like they then found out that the information was bogus and that hindsight is 20/20 or something. It was known at the time. It was also public knowledge in countries like Germany. Do you really think The Washington Post and other outlets don't check what the Germans had to say about all of this considering the information came from Germany? Not suspicious that the country where the information supposedly comes from doesn't want to support the war at all? Nope. The Washington Post and others didn't care. They wanted that war and supported it. [1]: https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article13569264/USA-haben-BND-fuer-Irak-Krieg-missbraucht.html https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article13569264/USA-habe... [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/15/curveball-cia-europe-chief-vindicate https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/15/curveball-cia-... [3]: http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/02/nation/na-intel2 http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/02/nation/na-intel2 [4]: https://www.theguardian.com/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1451167,00.html https://www.theguardian.com/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1451167,00.htm...
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Ironically their site tagline is "democracy dies in darkness"

SanjayMehta 4y ago

The Guardian's comment section was called "Comment is Free," but was heavily moderated.

jen20 4y ago
Gratis vs Libre, perhaps. It’s a shame English is so stunted in this regard.

rossjudson 4y ago

Was there a specific instance you can point out where the Post got its facts wrong, and didn't correct it?

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throwqwwy123 4y ago
- IIAOPSW 4y ago
  Was there a specific instance you can point out where the Post got its facts wrong, and didn't correct it?
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  - throwqwwy123 4y ago
    An org thats concerned about democracy should not let ads which lie and opinion pieces without fact checking not allowed. That's what I expect but You may have diff standards
    - happymellon 4y ago
      Was there a specific instance you can point out where the Post got its facts wrong, and didn't correct it?
      - snehk 4y ago
        Yes, they printed the lies about WMDs and put out loads and loads of articles in support of the war.
        speleding 4y ago
        At that point in time as Sadam had just used WMDs against the Kurds and many observes thought it likely he had not all of a sudden stopped having them. That no one found any WMDs later on does not make reporting what intelligence agencies said at the time “lying”. Do you have any information that the Washington Post was reporting something they knew to be untrue _at the time_?
        cmmeur01 4y ago
        Taking what intelligence agency’s say at face value isn’t reporting, you’re just a state mouthpiece.
        speleding 4y ago
        At the time it was very reasonable to assume Saddam had (more) WMDs. Stating otherwise is suffering from hindsight bias, there is really no reason to assume malice here.
        snehk 4y ago
        That's just not true. The "source" for US intelligence was called Curveball and the information came from Germany. The German intelligence service, BND, warned the US multiple times that the information was made up. Even the CIA's head of the European division Tyler Drumheller said that he warned George Tenet that the information was unreliable[2]. Tyler Drumheller also said that "everyone in the chain of command knew exactly what was happening"[3]. The informant was called: - "crazy … out of control" (by German Intelligence) - "congenital liar" (by Friends) - "an alcoholic" (by US physician) [4] UN weapons inspectors said at the time that the US is deliberately ignoring their information. They KNEW for a fact that the information was false. It's not like they then found out that the information was bogus and that hindsight is 20/20 or something. It was known at the time. It was also public knowledge in countries like Germany. Do you really think The Washington Post and other outlets don't check what the Germans had to say about all of this considering the information came from Germany? Not suspicious that the country where the information supposedly comes from doesn't want to support the war at all? Nope. The Washington Post and others didn't care. They wanted that war and supported it. [1]: https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article13569264/USA-haben-BND-fuer-Irak-Krieg-missbraucht.html https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article13569264/USA-habe... [2]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/15/curveball-cia-europe-chief-vindicate https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/15/curveball-cia-... [3]: http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/02/nation/na-intel2 http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/02/nation/na-intel2 [4]: https://www.theguardian.com/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1451167,00.html https://www.theguardian.com/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1451167,00.htm...
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