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>Convince me that's not extortion. hard sell, considering you clearly don't know the meaning of the word.

by Jerrrry 4y ago

fortuna86 4y ago
Kind of like how no one knows what free speech seems to mean
- tbrownaw 4y ago
  It means it doesn't cost you anything, right? . (Note punishments for certain content do count as a cost.)
dorkwood 4y ago
Can you elaborate for those of us reading? I looked up the meaning, and it seems to match. "the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats." He's threatening advertisers so that they'll stay on the platform and continue to pay him. Why isn't that extortion?
- Jerrrry 4y ago
  "threatening" doing a lot of lifting here
  - dorkwood 4y ago
    What constitutes a threat to you? "A thermonuclear name & shame is exactly what will happen if this continues." Saying you will publicly shame someone if they do something you don't want them to isn't a threat?
    - drcongo 4y ago
      Not if your tongue is glued to Musk's boots.
- fallingknife 4y ago
  To be extortion, the threatened action has to be illegal. Threats are allowed. Your boss saying "do X or I'll fire you" is not extortion.
  - VikingCoder 4y ago
    How did you get that idea? > Remember, the word blackmail refers to a crime wherein the threat is a revelation of information, extortion refers to a crime wherein the threat is either physical, violent or an unfair use of power.
  - D13Fd 4y ago
    > To be extortion, the threatened action has to be illegal. Generally no, that's not true. For example: https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.039.023.000..HTM https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.039.02... "Theft by extortion. . . . if he intentionally obtains or withholds property of another by threatening to . . . expose any secret tending to subject any person to hatred, contempt or ridicule"
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    Pedantry rarely wins arguments, especially outside courtrooms.
VikingCoder 4y ago
How so? > Remember, the word blackmail refers to a crime wherein the threat is a revelation of information, extortion refers to a crime wherein the threat is either physical, violent or an unfair use of power. I assert that getting people to boycott me because I don't buy his services would be an unfair use of his power. And if you disagree, then please explain to me how boycotting Twitter or people who advertise on Twitter is bad...?

>Convince me that's not extortion. hard sell, considering you clearly don't know the meaning of the word.

fortuna86 4y ago

Kind of like how no one knows what free speech seems to mean

tbrownaw 4y ago
It means it doesn't cost you anything, right? . (Note punishments for certain content do count as a cost.)

dorkwood 4y ago

Can you elaborate for those of us reading? I looked up the meaning, and it seems to match. "the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats." He's threatening advertisers so that they'll stay on the platform and continue to pay him. Why isn't that extortion?

Jerrrry 4y ago
"threatening" doing a lot of lifting here
- dorkwood 4y ago
  What constitutes a threat to you? "A thermonuclear name & shame is exactly what will happen if this continues." Saying you will publicly shame someone if they do something you don't want them to isn't a threat?
  - drcongo 4y ago
    Not if your tongue is glued to Musk's boots.
fallingknife 4y ago
To be extortion, the threatened action has to be illegal. Threats are allowed. Your boss saying "do X or I'll fire you" is not extortion.
- VikingCoder 4y ago
  How did you get that idea? > Remember, the word blackmail refers to a crime wherein the threat is a revelation of information, extortion refers to a crime wherein the threat is either physical, violent or an unfair use of power.
- D13Fd 4y ago
  > To be extortion, the threatened action has to be illegal. Generally no, that's not true. For example: https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.039.023.000..HTM https://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/18/00.039.02... "Theft by extortion. . . . if he intentionally obtains or withholds property of another by threatening to . . . expose any secret tending to subject any person to hatred, contempt or ridicule"
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  Pedantry rarely wins arguments, especially outside courtrooms.

VikingCoder 4y ago

How so? > Remember, the word blackmail refers to a crime wherein the threat is a revelation of information, extortion refers to a crime wherein the threat is either physical, violent or an unfair use of power. I assert that getting people to boycott me because I don't buy his services would be an unfair use of his power. And if you disagree, then please explain to me how boycotting Twitter or people who advertise on Twitter is bad...?