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Never will happen. Source: Their high level employees that I know.

by warbler73 4y ago

SnowHill9902 4y ago
Not with that attitude.
- curious_cat_163 4y ago
  Exactly. This is such a strange attitude. If they are really ‘high-level’, they should either walk away or push the ship in the direction that their CEO is calling for. Why stay and say things like this?
  - ErikVandeWater 4y ago
    Hoping the CEO gets sacked and they get a promotion?
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    Or this would be the CEO's job: convince the employees he's heading in the right direction or find other employees.
  - bawolff 4y ago
    That's not really how the world works. People often stay in jobs they dont like or dont believe in. Maybe the money is better than competitors, maybe they are just afraid of change. There could be plenty of reasons. Morale issues sink businesses. If everyone who was unhappy walked away, no companies would ever have morale issues.
  - lizknope 4y ago
    Golden handcuffs in the form of millions in unvested stock. I knew people at companies that were acquired and joked that they were in "rest and vest mode" They didn't care what the new company did as long as they got paid and their huge number of shares over the next 3 years vested
- bippingchip 4y ago
  They have had decades of close collaboration an customer feedback from their internal design teams, they have process technology teams using some of those designs as reference points to improve upon for the next node. Don’t underestimate the kind of gravity well that creates, especially in a large organization like intel. Their process is well tuned for high performance Xeon chips. Its not impossible to change that, but extremely hard, and it will take tim. At the same time they currently have near 0 external customers trying to use their process, they are having a hard time figuring out what their customers need. (I have no doubt they are working hard to change that) But is there a way for them to improve a process node for an external customer? What if it creates an ever so slight downside for x86 products? These are the difficult decisions they will need to make at some point. TSMC, on the other hand, has decades of experience of doing exactly that: designing a process for everyone with every fabless company in the world, for type of chip, whether it’s server or tiny ultra low power class. And they have a very broad range of flavors of every node to show for it.

Never will happen. Source: Their high level employees that I know.

SnowHill9902 4y ago

Not with that attitude.

curious_cat_163 4y ago
Exactly. This is such a strange attitude. If they are really ‘high-level’, they should either walk away or push the ship in the direction that their CEO is calling for. Why stay and say things like this?
- ErikVandeWater 4y ago
  Hoping the CEO gets sacked and they get a promotion?
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  Or this would be the CEO's job: convince the employees he's heading in the right direction or find other employees.
- bawolff 4y ago
  That's not really how the world works. People often stay in jobs they dont like or dont believe in. Maybe the money is better than competitors, maybe they are just afraid of change. There could be plenty of reasons. Morale issues sink businesses. If everyone who was unhappy walked away, no companies would ever have morale issues.
- lizknope 4y ago
  Golden handcuffs in the form of millions in unvested stock. I knew people at companies that were acquired and joked that they were in "rest and vest mode" They didn't care what the new company did as long as they got paid and their huge number of shares over the next 3 years vested
bippingchip 4y ago
They have had decades of close collaboration an customer feedback from their internal design teams, they have process technology teams using some of those designs as reference points to improve upon for the next node. Don’t underestimate the kind of gravity well that creates, especially in a large organization like intel. Their process is well tuned for high performance Xeon chips. Its not impossible to change that, but extremely hard, and it will take tim. At the same time they currently have near 0 external customers trying to use their process, they are having a hard time figuring out what their customers need. (I have no doubt they are working hard to change that) But is there a way for them to improve a process node for an external customer? What if it creates an ever so slight downside for x86 products? These are the difficult decisions they will need to make at some point. TSMC, on the other hand, has decades of experience of doing exactly that: designing a process for everyone with every fabless company in the world, for type of chip, whether it’s server or tiny ultra low power class. And they have a very broad range of flavors of every node to show for it.