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You really are having a hard time with the words 'cruel' and 'harm'. The WH statements are not misleading, and they definitely do not cause 'harm'. You're usi

by jasmer 4y ago

You really are having a hard time with the words 'cruel' and 'harm'. The WH statements are not misleading, and they definitely do not cause 'harm'. You're using the language of post-modern/post-reality hyperbole politics which frankly, might be our greatest scourge at the moment. When Donald Trump Tweeted that "The US had the lowest unemployment rate for African Americans" during his tenure, one could argue that's a bit of a stretch in terms of him taking credit. The press had a lot to say about it. But it's fully within his purview to say that even if it really does require contextualization. There's no need to 'fix' a Tweet or statement like that. When people say things like 'XYZ cures cancer!' - or 'XYZ politician is secretly abusing children in the basement of a restaurant' - then there's a moderation issue.

TimTheTinker 4y ago
I too strongly disagree with modern political winds and the postmodern moral and social philosophy, but that doesn't have to mean that kindness and not doing harm aren't important or have no meaning. They're just one moral dimension among several that are fully valid (if disproportionately emphasized). It is morally wrong when leaders (Democrat or Republican) intentionally lie in such a way as to manipulate people into beliefs and behaviors that cause more problems for those people. > But it's fully within his purview to say that even if it really does require contextualization. Not morally, no it's not. I believe he'll answer for it come judgment day, along with the others who have done it. You've heard the phrase "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics" -- the point is: wrongly framed statistics, intentionally presented, are the worst form of lying. You may not subscribe to care/harm moral philosophy, but surely you value truth -- it's the bedrock of freedom. To lie is to take away people's freedom. The Soviet Union, Communist China, and the DPRK were built on lies. Those who tolerate lies do everyone a disservice.

by jasmer 4y ago

TimTheTinker 4y ago

I too strongly disagree with modern political winds and the postmodern moral and social philosophy, but that doesn't have to mean that kindness and not doing harm aren't important or have no meaning. They're just one moral dimension among several that are fully valid (if disproportionately emphasized). It is morally wrong when leaders (Democrat or Republican) intentionally lie in such a way as to manipulate people into beliefs and behaviors that cause more problems for those people. > But it's fully within his purview to say that even if it really does require contextualization. Not morally, no it's not. I believe he'll answer for it come judgment day, along with the others who have done it. You've heard the phrase "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics" -- the point is: wrongly framed statistics, intentionally presented, are the worst form of lying. You may not subscribe to care/harm moral philosophy, but surely you value truth -- it's the bedrock of freedom. To lie is to take away people's freedom. The Soviet Union, Communist China, and the DPRK were built on lies. Those who tolerate lies do everyone a disservice.