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Eh, not obvious at all it wouldn’t have happened the other direction. There are obviously hairy questions with deciding whether to propagate material that’s 1)

Eh, not obvious at all it wouldn’t have happened the other direction. There are obviously hairy questions with deciding whether to propagate material that’s 1) definitely hacked and 2) potentially tampered with by an adversary. I think Twitter made the wrong call but it’s not like this was the Pentagon Papers or the Lewinsky story.

chitowneats 4y ago
Imagine if Twitter had suspended Vox, the NYT, or any other beloved liberal news org. You can't. Impossible. How much unsubstantiated stuff about Donald Trump was propagated by these outlets for years? What's the fundamental difference between opposition research like the Steele Dossier, and "hacking"? Imagine the outrage if Elon tomorrow decided to suspend one of these news orgs, even with only a few days to go before the election. Compare that to the crickets we hear about the NY Post.
- llamaimperative 4y ago
  They didn’t suspend the Post, did they? I remember them banning that article. And could I imagine them banning a Vox or NYT article? Well no, because for better or worse, not being an actual tabloid tends to impart more trust than being an actual tabloid does. NYPost is broadly regarded as a tabloid and NYT is broadly regarded as the paper of record. Should it be this way? Will it stay this way? I don’t know. If there’s a left wing analog to NYPost, I can definitely imagine an article getting deboosted or banned under similar conditions.
  - bhawks 4y ago
    They suspended the NY Post account for over 2 weeks. (only lifting the suspension as their policy evolved). Prior to that Twitter had never taken such action against a news outlet. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/30/twitter-new-york-post-freeze-policy-reversal https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/30/twitter-n...
    - ethanbond 4y ago
      Eh, it’s kind of between banning the article and banning the account I suppose. They froze the account until the Post deleted the 6 offending tweets, and the Post declined to do that. Again would be a very believable standoff with any publisher once the story was in question.
      - cdash 4y ago
        Twitter can delete the tweets themselves, that whole policy is a farce and is nothing but trying to extract a coercive confession.
0x445442 4y ago
Are you seriously claiming if it had been Don Juniors laptop it wouldn’t have been different? If that’s your claim you’re living in a fool’s paradise.
- sigmar 4y ago
  Twitter permabanned DDOSecrets (a left wing org) when they started distributing leaked police files in 2020, due to their "distribution of hacked materials policy." Not that any facts are going to change your victimhood. Source: https://twitter.com/natsecgeek/status/1275573681507500032 https://twitter.com/natsecgeek/status/1275573681507500032
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- RavingGoat 4y ago
  There's zero proof that it even was Hunter Bidens laptop.
hattmall 4y ago
There's no reason to think it was hacked or tampered with. Most of it has been substantiated as valid so no indication of tampering. It honestly takes a lot of belief in fantasy to think an entity capable of hacking multiple 2FA services, major corporations and multiple governments, did so and planted evidence on a laptop. Then gave that laptop away on the hope that the shop owner would discover it and give it to the news. It seems far more likely that the incestuous child molester who filters millions of dollars in bribes annually dropped off one of his connected laptops then forgot about it and failed to pay because he has abused cocaine for 3+ decades.
- ethanbond 4y ago
  It does not seem more likely to me that he handed his laptop to a blind computer repair guy, identified himself as Hunter Biden, and then that repair guy saw (?) what was on the laptop and reached out to Rudy Giuliani. It’s a really bizarre story.

chitowneats 4y ago

Imagine if Twitter had suspended Vox, the NYT, or any other beloved liberal news org. You can't. Impossible. How much unsubstantiated stuff about Donald Trump was propagated by these outlets for years? What's the fundamental difference between opposition research like the Steele Dossier, and "hacking"? Imagine the outrage if Elon tomorrow decided to suspend one of these news orgs, even with only a few days to go before the election. Compare that to the crickets we hear about the NY Post.

llamaimperative 4y ago
They didn’t suspend the Post, did they? I remember them banning that article. And could I imagine them banning a Vox or NYT article? Well no, because for better or worse, not being an actual tabloid tends to impart more trust than being an actual tabloid does. NYPost is broadly regarded as a tabloid and NYT is broadly regarded as the paper of record. Should it be this way? Will it stay this way? I don’t know. If there’s a left wing analog to NYPost, I can definitely imagine an article getting deboosted or banned under similar conditions.
- bhawks 4y ago
  They suspended the NY Post account for over 2 weeks. (only lifting the suspension as their policy evolved). Prior to that Twitter had never taken such action against a news outlet. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/30/twitter-new-york-post-freeze-policy-reversal https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/30/twitter-n...
  - ethanbond 4y ago
    Eh, it’s kind of between banning the article and banning the account I suppose. They froze the account until the Post deleted the 6 offending tweets, and the Post declined to do that. Again would be a very believable standoff with any publisher once the story was in question.
    - cdash 4y ago
      Twitter can delete the tweets themselves, that whole policy is a farce and is nothing but trying to extract a coercive confession.

0x445442 4y ago

Are you seriously claiming if it had been Don Juniors laptop it wouldn’t have been different? If that’s your claim you’re living in a fool’s paradise.

sigmar 4y ago
Twitter permabanned DDOSecrets (a left wing org) when they started distributing leaked police files in 2020, due to their "distribution of hacked materials policy." Not that any facts are going to change your victimhood. Source: https://twitter.com/natsecgeek/status/1275573681507500032 https://twitter.com/natsecgeek/status/1275573681507500032
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RavingGoat 4y ago
There's zero proof that it even was Hunter Bidens laptop.

hattmall 4y ago

There's no reason to think it was hacked or tampered with. Most of it has been substantiated as valid so no indication of tampering. It honestly takes a lot of belief in fantasy to think an entity capable of hacking multiple 2FA services, major corporations and multiple governments, did so and planted evidence on a laptop. Then gave that laptop away on the hope that the shop owner would discover it and give it to the news. It seems far more likely that the incestuous child molester who filters millions of dollars in bribes annually dropped off one of his connected laptops then forgot about it and failed to pay because he has abused cocaine for 3+ decades.

ethanbond 4y ago
It does not seem more likely to me that he handed his laptop to a blind computer repair guy, identified himself as Hunter Biden, and then that repair guy saw (?) what was on the laptop and reached out to Rudy Giuliani. It’s a really bizarre story.