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'Safe space' sounds like you're biased. 'Free speech' is aspirational, but ends up being 'where the shitheads go' in practice. How about those of us that just

'Safe space' sounds like you're biased. 'Free speech' is aspirational, but ends up being 'where the shitheads go' in practice. How about those of us that just want to hang somewhere people don't insist on injecting random diatribes against kikes in unrelated discussions?

mccorrinall 4y ago
You don’t need to read every post which is posted on instances, similarly to twitter. You don’t read every post on twitter, but instead follow people, read their tweets and retweets and build a graph which suits your likings. You can do the same on the fediverse and create your own homogeneous feed.
- nkrisc 4y ago
  It’s far easier and more appealing to simply join the community that doesn’t have shitheads in the first place. I’ll take the “safe space” community any day. All the racist/sexist/whatever bullshit is pretty worn out anyway. > but instead follow people, read their tweets and retweets and build a graph which suits your likings. I’m not going to waste my time actively doing that. So while it happens naturally over time, I’d rather not see the shitheads before they get filtered out.
  - friend_and_foe 4y ago
    The safe space communities are just as bad if not worse than the shitheads you're referring to, except they isolate you with nobody but them and browbeat you into not having friends outside of their depraved circle. They're PCP being peddled in a coca cola commercial by an abusive boyfriend.
    - nkrisc 4y ago
      > except they isolate you with nobody but them and browbeat you into not having friends outside of their depraved circle. I don’t see how that’s possible in online community.
    - easrng 4y ago
      I for one enjoy having federated and local timelines where the posts don't call me slurs, are mostly about things I'm interested in, and have properly labeled images (no uncwed nsfw, so I can scroll in public). Have fun blocking hentai bot #13874828374 from your federated timeline on pl dot shitheads dot st or whatever :)
      - friend_and_foe 4y ago
        Think of what you're saying. You're saying you want someone else to curate the feed from which you curate your feed. The federated feed is noisy, just like the real world. You pick from it and decide what you interact with. Letting someone decide what you see there, it doesn't lessen the SNR, it just lessens what you see. For every hentai bot you don't see there is at least one real person with something interesting to say that you'll never see. I prefer to decide what information is available to me, and that necessarily means wading through things I'm not interested in sometimes.
    - dumpsterlid 4y ago
      This is honestly an embarassingly bad argument/response
      - friend_and_foe 4y ago
        Embarrassingly bad? How so? Embarrass me.
  - thewrongthinker 4y ago
Cyberdog 4y ago
Yes, the shitheads will go where they are tolerated. So do people who aren't necessarily bad people but still want to share opinions which may be outside what is currently the orthodox way of thinking. If that alone makes someone a shithead to you… But if you really don't want to see arguments about Jews or whatever, just don't follow anyone who posts that. And if someone you follow does start with that stuff, just unfollow them, perhaps block them. In that manner it works the same way as on Twitter; once you have a solid base of sane people you're following, it's hard to just stumble across content that upsets you unless you're actively looking for it.
- Lutger 4y ago
  I don't think 'arguments' about Jews is a me-problem. Of course, that is exactly where we disagree. But your framing is dishonest.
  - Cyberdog 4y ago
    My framing is honest because we're not only talking about people who hate Jews here. We're talking about people who do not accept the "correct" narrative on things like the results of major elections, medical science and the involvement of large corporations therein, etc. In recent years there have been a lot of statements which have gotten people in trouble on Twitter (and, in some cases, real life) which have nothing to do race or religion. I don't believe most of these arguments, but I still think people ought to be able to say them.
friend_and_foe 4y ago
I hang out on the free speech side, and I mostly avoid the JQ and edgelord types. It's not hard, you curate your own feed, and the block button is merely a click away. You run into them in threads and just ignore them, just like in real life (and up until like 6 years ago, on the internet in general).
- ceres 4y ago
  Believe it or not “just ignore them“ doesn’t work for many people. There’s a reason 4chan is only popular with a certain demographic.
  - dumpsterlid 4y ago
    Yah "just ignore them" really means "it doesnt effect me and I am uninterested in hearing how it actually effects you"
    - friend_and_foe 4y ago
      It doesn't affect anyone except people who want it to. It's literally some random person whispering into the wind on the internet. I'm uninterested in hearing how it actually affects you because it doesn't actually affect you, you just want to cry about something. "You" in the proverbial sense of course, the way you used it above.
      - ceres 4y ago
        Good for you if you're not affected, I guess. For many people, Internet trolls can cause psychological harm. This is not some obscure thing. Teens have been committing suicide due to bullying on the Internet for decades.
  - friend_and_foe 4y ago
    Not going to 4chan is the same thing as just ignoring them. It works perfect.
arittr 4y ago
points on PC culture aside, it really bothers me to have slurs thrown out in HN comments to prove said points. i'm not usually offended by stuff, but i want this community to be held to a higher standard re: discourse

mccorrinall 4y ago

You don’t need to read every post which is posted on instances, similarly to twitter. You don’t read every post on twitter, but instead follow people, read their tweets and retweets and build a graph which suits your likings. You can do the same on the fediverse and create your own homogeneous feed.

nkrisc 4y ago
It’s far easier and more appealing to simply join the community that doesn’t have shitheads in the first place. I’ll take the “safe space” community any day. All the racist/sexist/whatever bullshit is pretty worn out anyway. > but instead follow people, read their tweets and retweets and build a graph which suits your likings. I’m not going to waste my time actively doing that. So while it happens naturally over time, I’d rather not see the shitheads before they get filtered out.
- friend_and_foe 4y ago
  The safe space communities are just as bad if not worse than the shitheads you're referring to, except they isolate you with nobody but them and browbeat you into not having friends outside of their depraved circle. They're PCP being peddled in a coca cola commercial by an abusive boyfriend.
  - nkrisc 4y ago
    > except they isolate you with nobody but them and browbeat you into not having friends outside of their depraved circle. I don’t see how that’s possible in online community.
  - easrng 4y ago
    I for one enjoy having federated and local timelines where the posts don't call me slurs, are mostly about things I'm interested in, and have properly labeled images (no uncwed nsfw, so I can scroll in public). Have fun blocking hentai bot #13874828374 from your federated timeline on pl dot shitheads dot st or whatever :)
    - friend_and_foe 4y ago
      Think of what you're saying. You're saying you want someone else to curate the feed from which you curate your feed. The federated feed is noisy, just like the real world. You pick from it and decide what you interact with. Letting someone decide what you see there, it doesn't lessen the SNR, it just lessens what you see. For every hentai bot you don't see there is at least one real person with something interesting to say that you'll never see. I prefer to decide what information is available to me, and that necessarily means wading through things I'm not interested in sometimes.
  - dumpsterlid 4y ago
    This is honestly an embarassingly bad argument/response
    - friend_and_foe 4y ago
      Embarrassingly bad? How so? Embarrass me.
- thewrongthinker 4y ago

Cyberdog 4y ago

Yes, the shitheads will go where they are tolerated. So do people who aren't necessarily bad people but still want to share opinions which may be outside what is currently the orthodox way of thinking. If that alone makes someone a shithead to you… But if you really don't want to see arguments about Jews or whatever, just don't follow anyone who posts that. And if someone you follow does start with that stuff, just unfollow them, perhaps block them. In that manner it works the same way as on Twitter; once you have a solid base of sane people you're following, it's hard to just stumble across content that upsets you unless you're actively looking for it.

Lutger 4y ago
I don't think 'arguments' about Jews is a me-problem. Of course, that is exactly where we disagree. But your framing is dishonest.
- Cyberdog 4y ago
  My framing is honest because we're not only talking about people who hate Jews here. We're talking about people who do not accept the "correct" narrative on things like the results of major elections, medical science and the involvement of large corporations therein, etc. In recent years there have been a lot of statements which have gotten people in trouble on Twitter (and, in some cases, real life) which have nothing to do race or religion. I don't believe most of these arguments, but I still think people ought to be able to say them.

friend_and_foe 4y ago

I hang out on the free speech side, and I mostly avoid the JQ and edgelord types. It's not hard, you curate your own feed, and the block button is merely a click away. You run into them in threads and just ignore them, just like in real life (and up until like 6 years ago, on the internet in general).

ceres 4y ago
Believe it or not “just ignore them“ doesn’t work for many people. There’s a reason 4chan is only popular with a certain demographic.
- dumpsterlid 4y ago
  Yah "just ignore them" really means "it doesnt effect me and I am uninterested in hearing how it actually effects you"
  - friend_and_foe 4y ago
    It doesn't affect anyone except people who want it to. It's literally some random person whispering into the wind on the internet. I'm uninterested in hearing how it actually affects you because it doesn't actually affect you, you just want to cry about something. "You" in the proverbial sense of course, the way you used it above.
    - ceres 4y ago
      Good for you if you're not affected, I guess. For many people, Internet trolls can cause psychological harm. This is not some obscure thing. Teens have been committing suicide due to bullying on the Internet for decades.
- friend_and_foe 4y ago
  Not going to 4chan is the same thing as just ignoring them. It works perfect.

arittr 4y ago

points on PC culture aside, it really bothers me to have slurs thrown out in HN comments to prove said points. i'm not usually offended by stuff, but i want this community to be held to a higher standard re: discourse