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Does anyone have DAU or MAU numbers for this stuff? I've been convinced that web3 is not going anywhere, but open to being proven wrong.

yaomtc 4y ago
> DAU or MAU Daily Active Users and Monthly Active Users, in case anyone else would've had to look it up
doublepg23 4y ago
I may be mistaken but the Fediverse are a collection of projects using ActivityPub or similar protocols. Usually they are federated not completely decentralized (or blockchain based) like "Web3".
- klabb3 4y ago
  That sounds right. To be clear, blockchain is a solution to a subset of decentralization problems that rely on consensus. The vast majority of non-financial apps don't need to solve 1000s of global consensus problems per minute. There's tons of interesting stuff to be done in this space!
  - neltnerb 4y ago
    I may not be parsing you correctly, but in what sense do you mean consensus? I think Mastodon simply relies on there being a single authoritative source of material from any address, and then that goes out to various places local and remote depending on details. I'm not sure that's really consensus so much as message delivery, I don't think anyone would notice if posts arrived out of order (for instance). It strikes me as well enough served by a database that gets updates from users on an instance. So I guess, admittedly I may well not understand, but what does consensus have to do with it?
    - klabb3 4y ago
      Sure. I noticed that many people come from the angle that decentralization implies defi, because they've seen the last few years of decentralization practically be synonymous with blockchains. I'm just responding to that, and saying that there's lots of interesting applications possible in the decentralized space that don't involve blockchains or finance. Blockchains are just a global append-only stack of messages with global consensus. Mastodon isn't decentralized so I didn't intend to compare them at all. That said, I think federated systems are interesting and have a place, because full decentralization is often impractical.
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howenterprisey 4y ago
https://bitcoinhackers.org/@mastodonusercount/ https://bitcoinhackers.org/@mastodonusercount/ but I don't know how good the numbers are. The fediverse doesn't have monetization/currency/blockchains floating around so I don't mentally categorize it as web3, but people's definitions certainly vary.
- MacsHeadroom 4y ago
  These stats are bad metrics. Without retention information Mastodon could be shrinking despite cumulative sign-ups going up 2k/hr Personally I've signed up four different times and only used Mastodon for a couple months one of those times. Meanwhile I've only ever signed up for Twitter once and I've been posting to it weekly for over a decade. One twitter "new user" and four Mastodon "new users" but the latter didn't retain me.
  - howenterprisey 4y ago
    Most instances post active user counts, so theoretically we could have a bot that scraps all of those and adds them up. Can't find one, unfortunately.

yaomtc 4y ago

> DAU or MAU Daily Active Users and Monthly Active Users, in case anyone else would've had to look it up

doublepg23 4y ago

I may be mistaken but the Fediverse are a collection of projects using ActivityPub or similar protocols. Usually they are federated not completely decentralized (or blockchain based) like "Web3".

klabb3 4y ago
That sounds right. To be clear, blockchain is a solution to a subset of decentralization problems that rely on consensus. The vast majority of non-financial apps don't need to solve 1000s of global consensus problems per minute. There's tons of interesting stuff to be done in this space!
- neltnerb 4y ago
  I may not be parsing you correctly, but in what sense do you mean consensus? I think Mastodon simply relies on there being a single authoritative source of material from any address, and then that goes out to various places local and remote depending on details. I'm not sure that's really consensus so much as message delivery, I don't think anyone would notice if posts arrived out of order (for instance). It strikes me as well enough served by a database that gets updates from users on an instance. So I guess, admittedly I may well not understand, but what does consensus have to do with it?
  - klabb3 4y ago
    Sure. I noticed that many people come from the angle that decentralization implies defi, because they've seen the last few years of decentralization practically be synonymous with blockchains. I'm just responding to that, and saying that there's lots of interesting applications possible in the decentralized space that don't involve blockchains or finance. Blockchains are just a global append-only stack of messages with global consensus. Mastodon isn't decentralized so I didn't intend to compare them at all. That said, I think federated systems are interesting and have a place, because full decentralization is often impractical.
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howenterprisey 4y ago

https://bitcoinhackers.org/@mastodonusercount/ https://bitcoinhackers.org/@mastodonusercount/ but I don't know how good the numbers are. The fediverse doesn't have monetization/currency/blockchains floating around so I don't mentally categorize it as web3, but people's definitions certainly vary.

MacsHeadroom 4y ago
These stats are bad metrics. Without retention information Mastodon could be shrinking despite cumulative sign-ups going up 2k/hr Personally I've signed up four different times and only used Mastodon for a couple months one of those times. Meanwhile I've only ever signed up for Twitter once and I've been posting to it weekly for over a decade. One twitter "new user" and four Mastodon "new users" but the latter didn't retain me.
- howenterprisey 4y ago
  Most instances post active user counts, so theoretically we could have a bot that scraps all of those and adds them up. Can't find one, unfortunately.