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If you're trying to find faults with a claim, then using one of those extremes seems completely appropriate. They will be the only ones motivated to do so.

by nomel 4y ago

krapp 4y ago
But they aren't going to tell the truth. Republicans don't respond to Biden's policies with sober recitations of well-sourced factual criticism, but the kind of paranoid partisan hyperbole you'd find on Fox News, because their goal isn't truth but keeping and maintaining power in an age where voters primarily react on emotion, not logic and reason, within bubbles of manufactured hyper-reality. Misinformation from one side doesn't just cancel out misinformation from the other.
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- ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
  Birdwatch is designed to add context with which both extremes agree. The quoted watches are reasoned, and cite sources. Actually more informative than 99% of Twitter. The change seems to be that it has now rolled out on all accounts rather than just Red accounts, and now there is drama.
  - nomel 4y ago
    More details about Birdwatch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33474196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33474196
  - Forgeties79 4y ago
    > The change seems to be that it has now rolled out on all accounts rather than just Red accounts, and now there is drama. What do you mean by this? There was one high profile incident with the white house, but I am struggling to believe that’s when the controversy started.
    - ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
      There were a bunch of 'incidents'. https://www.piratewires.com/p/birdwatch?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=55605&post_id=82372407&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email https://www.piratewires.com/p/birdwatch?utm_source=post-emai... > All we know for sure is last week there were notable embarrassing contextualizations of right-wing propaganda, and no notable embarrassing contextualizations of left-wing propaganda. Now, there are many examples.
      - Forgeties79 4y ago
        I was citing the highest profile, very recent incident. The one that got greater attention. I’m sure there have been other times Democrats have made statements that have been fact checked and found false, which is a good thing to do. Still not sure where you’re getting this idea that there is suddenly an outcry because people across the aisle are just now being fact checked. Do you have any data on how often it was only Republicans vs. Democrats and how that shifted? Do you have any data on whether or not there’s been an uptick in bad information posted by Democrats? I just think you’re missing a lot of critical context here and your inferences are not really earned.

If you're trying to find faults with a claim, then using one of those extremes seems completely appropriate. They will be the only ones motivated to do so.

by nomel 4y ago

If you're trying to find faults with a claim, then using one of those extremes seems completely appropriate. They will be the only ones motivated to do so.

krapp 4y ago

But they aren't going to tell the truth. Republicans don't respond to Biden's policies with sober recitations of well-sourced factual criticism, but the kind of paranoid partisan hyperbole you'd find on Fox News, because their goal isn't truth but keeping and maintaining power in an age where voters primarily react on emotion, not logic and reason, within bubbles of manufactured hyper-reality. Misinformation from one side doesn't just cancel out misinformation from the other.

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ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
Birdwatch is designed to add context with which both extremes agree. The quoted watches are reasoned, and cite sources. Actually more informative than 99% of Twitter. The change seems to be that it has now rolled out on all accounts rather than just Red accounts, and now there is drama.
- nomel 4y ago
  More details about Birdwatch: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33474196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33474196
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  > The change seems to be that it has now rolled out on all accounts rather than just Red accounts, and now there is drama. What do you mean by this? There was one high profile incident with the white house, but I am struggling to believe that’s when the controversy started.
  - ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
    There were a bunch of 'incidents'. https://www.piratewires.com/p/birdwatch?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=55605&post_id=82372407&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email https://www.piratewires.com/p/birdwatch?utm_source=post-emai... > All we know for sure is last week there were notable embarrassing contextualizations of right-wing propaganda, and no notable embarrassing contextualizations of left-wing propaganda. Now, there are many examples.
    - Forgeties79 4y ago
      I was citing the highest profile, very recent incident. The one that got greater attention. I’m sure there have been other times Democrats have made statements that have been fact checked and found false, which is a good thing to do. Still not sure where you’re getting this idea that there is suddenly an outcry because people across the aisle are just now being fact checked. Do you have any data on how often it was only Republicans vs. Democrats and how that shifted? Do you have any data on whether or not there’s been an uptick in bad information posted by Democrats? I just think you’re missing a lot of critical context here and your inferences are not really earned.