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This sounded unsurprising until I read that the pictures were taken with a phone. I work with a photographer who's talked about being asked to stop taking pict

This sounded unsurprising until I read that the pictures were taken with a phone. I work with a photographer who's talked about being asked to stop taking pictures while inside a building because building security (understandably) takes issue with it. In his case, he's taking photos with what is clearly (and only) a digital camera while people around him are taking photos with their (also very high-quality) iPhone camera. It appears in this case it appears to have nothing to do with a potential security issue but rather that one of the flight attendants was concerned that the person had taken a picture of them. It's worth noting that someone from American Airlines - who the flight attendant was working for - got in contact with the photographer to apologize for the incident (probably after the photographer's tweets got some publicity). It's also worth pointing out that the flight attendant was acting against American Airlines policy as passengers are apparently allowed to film.

sneak 4y ago
Photojournalism is protected expression in the US. If you are allowed to be somewhere, you are allowed to photograph there. (People with security clearances who have signed NDAs further voluntarily restricting their rights not included.) Photograph and video whatever you like. Never unlock your phone for anyone demanding it. Don’t make statements and demand an attorney if you are detained.
- crazygringo 4y ago
  It's protected in public spaces, not private. So no -- if you're allowed to be in a movie theater because you bought a ticket, that does NOT mean you're allowed to photograph in there. Private spaces are entirely allowed to make their own policies about photography and video. "Photograph and video whatever you like" is terrible advice.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
    > "Photograph and video whatever you like" is terrible advice. I was just on the way to my local bank branch. You're saying I shouldn't indiscriminately photograph the inside? /s
  - sneak 4y ago
    Those policies do not carry force of law.
    - crazygringo 4y ago
      Of course they do. First, if you are asked to leave because of it and don't, you can be arrested and charged with trespassing. Second, if you try to do anything with the resulting photos they can sue you and win since you don't have rights to photography in that location. If those aren't the force of law then I don't know what is.
      - sneak 4y ago
        The force of law generally refers to criminal acts. If a private property owner asks you to leave, and you do, you’ve done nothing wrong. They can of course ask you to leave for any reason, camera or no, so this is a red herring. Civil law and criminal law are not the same thing, also. Being sued is not the same as being arrested and charged with a crime. You are allowed to take photos anywhere you are allowed to be.
        crazygringo 4y ago
        You're twisting words into things they don't mean at all. First of all, no, the force of law is civil law as well, I don't know where on earth you're getting the idea that it's not. That's just incorrect. Law is law. Especially since it's against the law to sell those photographs. If you do, you'll be sued and lose, and if you don't cooperate you'll go to jail for civil contempt. By your logic, you could just as easily say you're allowed to murder. That yes you're sent to jail, but you can be sent to jail for other things too, so that's just a red herring. ;) If you say "you are allowed to take photos anywhere you are allowed to be" but you get kicked out for it, or arrested, charged and convicted for trespassing if you refuse to budge and continue to take photos... I don't know what definition of "allowed" you're using. If you wind up in jail, I'm pretty sure you weren't allowed. :)
        sneak 4y ago

sneak 4y ago

Photojournalism is protected expression in the US. If you are allowed to be somewhere, you are allowed to photograph there. (People with security clearances who have signed NDAs further voluntarily restricting their rights not included.) Photograph and video whatever you like. Never unlock your phone for anyone demanding it. Don’t make statements and demand an attorney if you are detained.

crazygringo 4y ago
It's protected in public spaces, not private. So no -- if you're allowed to be in a movie theater because you bought a ticket, that does NOT mean you're allowed to photograph in there. Private spaces are entirely allowed to make their own policies about photography and video. "Photograph and video whatever you like" is terrible advice.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
  > "Photograph and video whatever you like" is terrible advice. I was just on the way to my local bank branch. You're saying I shouldn't indiscriminately photograph the inside? /s
- sneak 4y ago
  Those policies do not carry force of law.
  - crazygringo 4y ago
    Of course they do. First, if you are asked to leave because of it and don't, you can be arrested and charged with trespassing. Second, if you try to do anything with the resulting photos they can sue you and win since you don't have rights to photography in that location. If those aren't the force of law then I don't know what is.
    - sneak 4y ago
      The force of law generally refers to criminal acts. If a private property owner asks you to leave, and you do, you’ve done nothing wrong. They can of course ask you to leave for any reason, camera or no, so this is a red herring. Civil law and criminal law are not the same thing, also. Being sued is not the same as being arrested and charged with a crime. You are allowed to take photos anywhere you are allowed to be.
      - crazygringo 4y ago
        You're twisting words into things they don't mean at all. First of all, no, the force of law is civil law as well, I don't know where on earth you're getting the idea that it's not. That's just incorrect. Law is law. Especially since it's against the law to sell those photographs. If you do, you'll be sued and lose, and if you don't cooperate you'll go to jail for civil contempt. By your logic, you could just as easily say you're allowed to murder. That yes you're sent to jail, but you can be sent to jail for other things too, so that's just a red herring. ;) If you say "you are allowed to take photos anywhere you are allowed to be" but you get kicked out for it, or arrested, charged and convicted for trespassing if you refuse to budge and continue to take photos... I don't know what definition of "allowed" you're using. If you wind up in jail, I'm pretty sure you weren't allowed. :)
        sneak 4y ago