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Are you implying that the whitehouse twitter only got stupid starting in 2021? Granted, that account was not so loud in 2016-2020 as perhaps now (maybe... I ha

by z9znz 4y ago

Are you implying that the whitehouse twitter only got stupid starting in 2021? Granted, that account was not so loud in 2016-2020 as perhaps now (maybe... I haven't counted tweets) because the president of that time was tweeting 10+ times per day (some really unmatched crazy shit too).

pessimizer 4y ago
Is the point of bringing up Trump to say that he is a bad person who was doing the same thing, therefore that thing is good? Or are we just making lists of people who have lied?
- z9znz 4y ago
  I'm objecting to the parent post starting with 2021 as the year to note that the whitehouse account was posting stupid things. That implies that it was not being stupid prior to 2021, when in contrast the most historically asinine tweets in existence (at least from people in places of high authority) occurred in the 2015-2020 range. Tweets in general are not good. Most are pointless, many are stupid, some are evil, and sadly only a few are worth existing. So I'm not suggesting that current White House tweets are good. They are just not remarkable in comparison to the tweets from the previous period.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    ...from another account.
    - z9znz 4y ago
      You're welcome to scroll thru https://twitter.com/whitehouse45 https://twitter.com/whitehouse45 if you can stand it. Granted most of it is about every holiday, the decorations for that holiday, the holiday decoration preparations, and the occasional other redecorating courtesy of the First Decorator. But you definitely can find BS things similar to the one from the social security topic. "President @realDonaldTrump has done more to lower medicine prices than any President in history!" (unsurprisingly it's hyperbolic and almost completely lacking any truth or evidence; the evidence points to an opposite result) I'm not going to dig thru the pile to prove you wrong. But you're wrong. Edit: Ok, I just have to add this gem. "This Administration is "tackling longstanding problems that no other Administration had the guts to do," @SeemaCMS says." That period was just chock full of useless tweets or outright false tweets.
      - Izkata 4y ago
        > "President @realDonaldTrump has done more to lower medicine prices than any President in history!" (unsurprisingly it's hyperbolic and almost completely lacking any truth or evidence; the evidence points to an opposite result) The one thing I'm aware of on this topic is the cost of insulin, which he did lower in 2020: https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/trump-cuts-cost-of-insulin-for-medicare-enrollees-to-35-a-month/ https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/trump-cuts-cost-of-insulin-for...
        lotsofpulp 4y ago
        That is increasing government payments to insulin sellers on for old people using insulin covered by Medicare. When most people think of “lowering the price of insulin”, they would not think “increasing subsidies to a select group of the country, that happens to vote heavily, and heavily for the administration’s party”. Also, the insulin price cap was for older, cheaper forms of insulin. The modern ones are still more expensive. Hence, anytime a politician touts doing something about insulin prices without specifying “all insulin”, I assume they are BSing.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        Older people are on average more vulnerable, both to disease and increases in the cost of medication. And so what if only certain insulins are made cheaper? They're still cheaper. It is always possible to spin anything negatively, but it might be worth considering why you're putting in this much effort.
        lotsofpulp 4y ago
        Because pitting certain tribes of constituents against each other is a big problem in US politics, works against efforts to redistribute wealth for all. Now that the old voters have their healthcare, they have less incentive to vote for plans for others to get it. Most importantly, it avoids politicians having to address the root problem, which is the lack of taxpayer funded R&D into medicine that would be in the public domain, hence not subject to the high prices of patented medicine. And of course, this helps the businesses that patent medicines. It is also ridiculous to me how much more my country prioritizes the elderly over children, who are literally the future.
    - totalZero 4y ago
      Seems fair game to compare Biden's White House tweets to the tweets from Trump's account while he was the sitting President.
      - t-3 4y ago
        Do you actually think Biden is writing those tweets?
        totalZero 4y ago
        Biden has control over them. They are a nontrivial aspect of his messaging, regardless of whether he or someone else taps out the words.
        t-3 4y ago
        The same way he controls his press officers, who are constantly retracting his statements and retroactively editing out his "gaffes"? I'm highly doubtful.
  - thepasswordis 4y ago
    Most (all?) of the things that Trump was posting he was posting from his personal account.
- the_third_wave 4y ago
  It is the new Chewbacca defence [1], whenever the discussion deviates from the desired narrative it is enough to bring on a variation on 'but Trump did XXX' or 'at least it was not as bad as Trump' or 'just like Trump' to derail it. Now that the precedent has been set this is likely to continue with one side using the mentioned but Trump arguments which are countered with at least he was not as bad as Biden. Rinse, repeat, ad infinitum et delirium. [1] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chewbacca_Defense https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chewbacca_Defense
- EricDeb 4y ago
  I believe the point is that, yes what biden did here is bad, but what trump did regularly was significantly worse (especially calling into question the 2020 election)

by z9znz 4y ago

pessimizer 4y ago

Is the point of bringing up Trump to say that he is a bad person who was doing the same thing, therefore that thing is good? Or are we just making lists of people who have lied?

z9znz 4y ago
I'm objecting to the parent post starting with 2021 as the year to note that the whitehouse account was posting stupid things. That implies that it was not being stupid prior to 2021, when in contrast the most historically asinine tweets in existence (at least from people in places of high authority) occurred in the 2015-2020 range. Tweets in general are not good. Most are pointless, many are stupid, some are evil, and sadly only a few are worth existing. So I'm not suggesting that current White House tweets are good. They are just not remarkable in comparison to the tweets from the previous period.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  ...from another account.
  - z9znz 4y ago
    You're welcome to scroll thru https://twitter.com/whitehouse45 https://twitter.com/whitehouse45 if you can stand it. Granted most of it is about every holiday, the decorations for that holiday, the holiday decoration preparations, and the occasional other redecorating courtesy of the First Decorator. But you definitely can find BS things similar to the one from the social security topic. "President @realDonaldTrump has done more to lower medicine prices than any President in history!" (unsurprisingly it's hyperbolic and almost completely lacking any truth or evidence; the evidence points to an opposite result) I'm not going to dig thru the pile to prove you wrong. But you're wrong. Edit: Ok, I just have to add this gem. "This Administration is "tackling longstanding problems that no other Administration had the guts to do," @SeemaCMS says." That period was just chock full of useless tweets or outright false tweets.
    - Izkata 4y ago
      > "President @realDonaldTrump has done more to lower medicine prices than any President in history!" (unsurprisingly it's hyperbolic and almost completely lacking any truth or evidence; the evidence points to an opposite result) The one thing I'm aware of on this topic is the cost of insulin, which he did lower in 2020: https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/trump-cuts-cost-of-insulin-for-medicare-enrollees-to-35-a-month/ https://nypost.com/2020/05/26/trump-cuts-cost-of-insulin-for...
      - lotsofpulp 4y ago
        That is increasing government payments to insulin sellers on for old people using insulin covered by Medicare. When most people think of “lowering the price of insulin”, they would not think “increasing subsidies to a select group of the country, that happens to vote heavily, and heavily for the administration’s party”. Also, the insulin price cap was for older, cheaper forms of insulin. The modern ones are still more expensive. Hence, anytime a politician touts doing something about insulin prices without specifying “all insulin”, I assume they are BSing.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        Older people are on average more vulnerable, both to disease and increases in the cost of medication. And so what if only certain insulins are made cheaper? They're still cheaper. It is always possible to spin anything negatively, but it might be worth considering why you're putting in this much effort.
        lotsofpulp 4y ago
        Because pitting certain tribes of constituents against each other is a big problem in US politics, works against efforts to redistribute wealth for all. Now that the old voters have their healthcare, they have less incentive to vote for plans for others to get it. Most importantly, it avoids politicians having to address the root problem, which is the lack of taxpayer funded R&D into medicine that would be in the public domain, hence not subject to the high prices of patented medicine. And of course, this helps the businesses that patent medicines. It is also ridiculous to me how much more my country prioritizes the elderly over children, who are literally the future.
  - totalZero 4y ago
    Seems fair game to compare Biden's White House tweets to the tweets from Trump's account while he was the sitting President.
    - t-3 4y ago
      Do you actually think Biden is writing those tweets?
      - totalZero 4y ago
        Biden has control over them. They are a nontrivial aspect of his messaging, regardless of whether he or someone else taps out the words.
        t-3 4y ago
        The same way he controls his press officers, who are constantly retracting his statements and retroactively editing out his "gaffes"? I'm highly doubtful.
- thepasswordis 4y ago
  Most (all?) of the things that Trump was posting he was posting from his personal account.
the_third_wave 4y ago
It is the new Chewbacca defence [1], whenever the discussion deviates from the desired narrative it is enough to bring on a variation on 'but Trump did XXX' or 'at least it was not as bad as Trump' or 'just like Trump' to derail it. Now that the precedent has been set this is likely to continue with one side using the mentioned but Trump arguments which are countered with at least he was not as bad as Biden. Rinse, repeat, ad infinitum et delirium. [1] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chewbacca_Defense https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chewbacca_Defense
EricDeb 4y ago
I believe the point is that, yes what biden did here is bad, but what trump did regularly was significantly worse (especially calling into question the 2020 election)