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I think it's perfectly reasonable to rank acts by the threat they post to the Republic. The left wing riots you speak of were a problem in few very limited loca

I think it's perfectly reasonable to rank acts by the threat they post to the Republic. The left wing riots you speak of were a problem in few very limited locations (parts of a few cities). They didn't threaten to end democracy. Major parts of the Republican party are actively trying to bring American democracy to a close. It's hard to see the benefit of both-siding in the presence of that threat.

smsm42 4y ago
Nobody tried to "bring American democracy to a close", that's a lie.
Cyberdog 4y ago
Government fetishism. The threat they "post" to some abstract concept like "the republic" is not more important than the threat they pose to their fellow man.
josteink 4y ago
I'm not taking trying to take any absolute sides. Even the best of people will do bad things. You can find dirt on anyone, if you like. What I was originally responding to was the fear of twitter allowing hateful speech, which ofcourse had to be right-wing "hateful" speech. My comment was more directed towards how I found that (default) assumption weird, since I see tons and tons of clearly hateful content and attitudes from all sides of the political spectrum online and in social media. When I see people complaining about all that "hateful" speech online from one end of the political spectrum, I have a hard time seeing that as something else but denial about the hateful speech their side of the political spectrum themselves are promoting, or worse deliberately ignoring. The fact that you find someone else's opinion disagreeable, distasteful or "hateful" is not a blanket-license for you yourself to act disagreeable, distasteful or "hateful" in response. It's a chance for you to be a better person. If you want to fix our divided world, you need to show people there's a middle way, and you do that by calling out bullshit on both sides.
- ribosometronome 4y ago
  It's easy to say "I'm not trying to take any sides" but way harder to practice. For example, repeating the same rhetoric used by the hateful right-wing groups, while having to repeatedly put "hateful" in quotes, as if those groups aren't hateful or something, is taking a side.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    It’s also very hard to convince the left they have a hate problem as well. Read your comment again, you’re claiming that hate only comes from one side. Republicans have been called Nazis, facists, ultra mega MAGA, uneducated, all to sow hate against them. Are literally all republicans Nazis? Or facists? Or is the left being extreme and spreading hate?
    - JohnBooty 4y ago
      The Republican leaders of this country literally encouraged (and in some cases abetted) a coup attempt lead by white nationalists on Jan 6th. And they are upset that they are called uh, names. I get what you're saying: name-calling is mean. It can deepen divides. I've been called names before. It felt bad.
      - tekknik 4y ago
        No, this is also misinformation. This is the story the left wants to push, but no republicans wanted Jan 6 to happen. Yes they’re names, does this mean the position of the left that speech can be hateful is invalid?
    - ribosometronome 4y ago
      Read my comment again. I claimed no such thing.
      - tekknik 4y ago
        You actually did, the hateful rhetoric from the right tells all anybody needs to know. If you think hateful rhetoric comes from the right then you are the problem.
tekknik 4y ago
> Major parts of the Republican party are actively trying to bring American democracy to a close. NO! This is extremely dangerous misinformation. Nobody on the right is trying to end democracy. This is a lie started by the left media in order to convince the left to get out and vote. If you keep spreading this misinformation, you will likely push people on the left to violence.

smsm42 4y ago

Nobody tried to "bring American democracy to a close", that's a lie.

Cyberdog 4y ago

Government fetishism. The threat they "post" to some abstract concept like "the republic" is not more important than the threat they pose to their fellow man.

josteink 4y ago

I'm not taking trying to take any absolute sides. Even the best of people will do bad things. You can find dirt on anyone, if you like. What I was originally responding to was the fear of twitter allowing hateful speech, which ofcourse had to be right-wing "hateful" speech. My comment was more directed towards how I found that (default) assumption weird, since I see tons and tons of clearly hateful content and attitudes from all sides of the political spectrum online and in social media. When I see people complaining about all that "hateful" speech online from one end of the political spectrum, I have a hard time seeing that as something else but denial about the hateful speech their side of the political spectrum themselves are promoting, or worse deliberately ignoring. The fact that you find someone else's opinion disagreeable, distasteful or "hateful" is not a blanket-license for you yourself to act disagreeable, distasteful or "hateful" in response. It's a chance for you to be a better person. If you want to fix our divided world, you need to show people there's a middle way, and you do that by calling out bullshit on both sides.

ribosometronome 4y ago
It's easy to say "I'm not trying to take any sides" but way harder to practice. For example, repeating the same rhetoric used by the hateful right-wing groups, while having to repeatedly put "hateful" in quotes, as if those groups aren't hateful or something, is taking a side.
- tekknik 4y ago
  It’s also very hard to convince the left they have a hate problem as well. Read your comment again, you’re claiming that hate only comes from one side. Republicans have been called Nazis, facists, ultra mega MAGA, uneducated, all to sow hate against them. Are literally all republicans Nazis? Or facists? Or is the left being extreme and spreading hate?
  - JohnBooty 4y ago
    The Republican leaders of this country literally encouraged (and in some cases abetted) a coup attempt lead by white nationalists on Jan 6th. And they are upset that they are called uh, names. I get what you're saying: name-calling is mean. It can deepen divides. I've been called names before. It felt bad.
    - tekknik 4y ago
      No, this is also misinformation. This is the story the left wants to push, but no republicans wanted Jan 6 to happen. Yes they’re names, does this mean the position of the left that speech can be hateful is invalid?
  - ribosometronome 4y ago
    Read my comment again. I claimed no such thing.
    - tekknik 4y ago
      You actually did, the hateful rhetoric from the right tells all anybody needs to know. If you think hateful rhetoric comes from the right then you are the problem.

tekknik 4y ago

> Major parts of the Republican party are actively trying to bring American democracy to a close. NO! This is extremely dangerous misinformation. Nobody on the right is trying to end democracy. This is a lie started by the left media in order to convince the left to get out and vote. If you keep spreading this misinformation, you will likely push people on the left to violence.