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Truth be told, while a legend of his time Tim Berners-Lee is a dinosaur who while likely has great insight also comes from a different generation. He's not much

Truth be told, while a legend of his time Tim Berners-Lee is a dinosaur who while likely has great insight also comes from a different generation. He's not much different than other blockchain cheerleaders each pushing their own solution. IPFS is the closest we've came to Web3 or whatever you want to call it, but there is still a lot of issues. Where blockchain solutions fall short is none of them are really decentralized. An ideal Web3 IMO would be a distributed storage that you can contribute a certain amount of storage on practically any device and it is able to predict and allocate resources efficiently to scale at datacenter level performance.

trollerator23 4y ago
Old man yells at cloud!
valdiorn 4y ago
So, basically Pied Piper Net?
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  Yep.. from what I remember. It is definitely the dream but still not a reality.
chrisco255 4y ago
> Where blockchain solutions fall short is none of them are really decentralized. Of course they are. If this is a no true Scotsman argument please advise so I can move on to more productive discussions. Filecoin or Arweave are essentially what you describe, but of course they don't achieve data center performance. That doesn't mean they aren't decentralized. There are trade-offs to decentralization.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  That is not how Filecoin and Arweave works. I'm talking about like thousands of users distributing content for free because they like the content and they allocate a percentage of their devices storage to do so.. and no not pinning it, because IPFS doesn't auto distribute a portion based on allocation ratios. Filecoin and Arweave is nothing more than riskier data storage and usually more expensive that what you'd get with B2 or R2 with like one or two copies at most.
  - chrisco255 4y ago
    IPFS is just a routing protocol, it is not a storage protocol itself. Pinning just lets other nodes know that you're hosting a particular file. Anyone can operate a Filecoin or Arweave node. They are compensated for allocating harddrive space on those nodes with FIL or AR tokens. AR has the unique feature of 200 year storage, so it is certainly more expensive than B2. But currently you can store a substantial amount of data on Filecoin for free: https://nft.storage/ https://nft.storage/ (this is temporary promotional storage, but still, the pricing is competitive). They are stored on multiple nodes when you pay the fee. But of course, these services have a different purpose altogether than traditional cloud based infrastructure. They are designed to act as a censorship-resistant and long term archive. They don't have the low latency of CDNs or what have you. That's generally ok, because you will typically use FIL or AR as your archive layer and also publish the data to a cloud provider for hot storage access. It makes sense to use IPFS, then, so it can link all these sources together for the same content.

trollerator23 4y ago

Old man yells at cloud!

valdiorn 4y ago

So, basically Pied Piper Net?

encryptluks2 4y ago
Yep.. from what I remember. It is definitely the dream but still not a reality.

chrisco255 4y ago

> Where blockchain solutions fall short is none of them are really decentralized. Of course they are. If this is a no true Scotsman argument please advise so I can move on to more productive discussions. Filecoin or Arweave are essentially what you describe, but of course they don't achieve data center performance. That doesn't mean they aren't decentralized. There are trade-offs to decentralization.

encryptluks2 4y ago
That is not how Filecoin and Arweave works. I'm talking about like thousands of users distributing content for free because they like the content and they allocate a percentage of their devices storage to do so.. and no not pinning it, because IPFS doesn't auto distribute a portion based on allocation ratios. Filecoin and Arweave is nothing more than riskier data storage and usually more expensive that what you'd get with B2 or R2 with like one or two copies at most.
- chrisco255 4y ago
  IPFS is just a routing protocol, it is not a storage protocol itself. Pinning just lets other nodes know that you're hosting a particular file. Anyone can operate a Filecoin or Arweave node. They are compensated for allocating harddrive space on those nodes with FIL or AR tokens. AR has the unique feature of 200 year storage, so it is certainly more expensive than B2. But currently you can store a substantial amount of data on Filecoin for free: https://nft.storage/ https://nft.storage/ (this is temporary promotional storage, but still, the pricing is competitive). They are stored on multiple nodes when you pay the fee. But of course, these services have a different purpose altogether than traditional cloud based infrastructure. They are designed to act as a censorship-resistant and long term archive. They don't have the low latency of CDNs or what have you. That's generally ok, because you will typically use FIL or AR as your archive layer and also publish the data to a cloud provider for hot storage access. It makes sense to use IPFS, then, so it can link all these sources together for the same content.