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That post was from March 2022. The author has since been laid off: https://ma.nu/blog/bye-twitter https://ma.nu/blog/bye-twitter
by cpeterso 4y ago
That post was from March 2022. The author has since been laid off: https://ma.nu/blog/bye-twitter https://ma.nu/blog/bye-twitter
- shric 4y ago> Q: What do you mean by stack-ranking engineers? What were the criteria? > A: Raw number of lines of code over a certain period (a year I think) Wow.
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- beebmam 4y agoGenuinely incredible this happened in 2022. Holy shit. Which shitty manager was responsible for this a performance metric at Twitter? Should have been the first on the chopping block.
- vineyardmike 4y agoYou’re kidding right? The rumors are Elon and co were responsible. So not on the chopping block.
- mozman 4y agoHave a citation? I understand Elon isn’t the most popular figure here but my sense is this is adding fuel to fire and should be backed up.
- beebmam 4y agoFirstly: please note that companies have no obligation to reveal this information, and therefore will not. Secondly: If a manager under Musk made this decision, Musk is responsible as well, unless he renounces it and holds the people who made this decision accountable.
- vineyardmike 4y agoThere were lots of reports that Elon asked people to print out code and bring it to Tesla engineers for review. They’re Rumors and pretty easy to find. Wrapped up in the whirlwind of news from the last 24 hours was that LOC was a metric used. Also rumored was that Elon asked that his name not be included on any negative memo (presumably out of negative publicity?). So no I can’t get a citation, and everything is rumors but they’re laying off 3500 people so prepare for lots of rumors floating around.
- icedchai 4y agoI worked at a zombie startup in the early 2000's. One of the "managers" was in charge of tracking engineer performance. He would look at the number of lines added or modified. We were using CVS at the time. One guy would just add or remove white space to get his count up. Eventually this manager was laid off.
- dpe82 4y agoIt definitely still happens; one group I recently worked in at Google used LOC and CL (pull requests) counts as a metric during calibration. One engineer I worked with got his code review count up by becoming a well-known rubber stamp, and was publicly rewarded for it. Entirely predictable results followed.
- BonoboIO 4y agoClever way of earning more money. What a stupid metric.
- carlivar 4y agoElon bans Kanban and the Toyota Production System at his car company so you shouldn't be surprised about dinosaur mentalities...
- Aleksdev 4y agoWell it depends. If let’s say you wrote 50 lines of code the entire year and your title is software engineer then I think some questions should be raised.
- bena 4y agoAnd in between the original post and your post is this post: https://ma.nu/blog/not-going-anywhere https://ma.nu/blog/not-going-anywhere Which is just kind of funny
- polote 4y agoWe are in a world were some employee can claim ownership of a the job in someone else company. Absurd
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- mc32 4y agoThat's from April. So it's not relevant to their recent firing.
- puszczyk 4y agoCan you point me where specifically did he do it?
- bcrosby95 4y agoI hereby claim ownership of all the jobs. Including yours and everyone else that comments on HN.
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- icedchai 4y agoAnd at a company (Twitter) where the core product has been stagnant for years. There's basically been zero innovation.
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- paganel 4y agoAlso, previous HN discussion [1] about the author's cartoons while he was at Google. He also has a wikipedia page [2] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27778774 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27778774 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Cornet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_Cornet
- VikingCoder 4y agoI think Manu's original "org charts" diagram needs to be updated to include Twitter. Perhaps Musk on top with a gun, shooting everyone on the bottom?
- philjohn 4y agoFrom the last week, I think it would be more apt for Musk to be shooting his own foot, and then exclaiming "Why would the activists do that?"
- nixgeek 4y agoBased on the note he posted from HR he was fired for cause and wasn’t “laid off” by the usual definition of same — he was told by HR that he had violated several company policies and his employment was being terminated immediately. [1] https://ma.nu/blog/img/2022-11-01_bye_twitter/termination_email.png https://ma.nu/blog/img/2022-11-01_bye_twitter/termination_em...
- encryptluks2 4y agoSharing so much information about a company you work for publicly may have been considered a fireable offense. Gives hackers a lot of insight on how to infiltrate a company and what their weaknesses may be.
- the_mitsuhiko 4y agoWhat did he share?
- encryptluks2 4y agoDetails about internal tools and structure that only someone on the inside would have knowledge about. I'm not saying they aren't known already but it is a slippery slope when you decide to share information about your employer publicly... Here probably not enough in itself but if I recall there was some other things that led up to the firing.
- the_mitsuhiko 4y agoAre you referring to the comics? I’m sure that they were discussed prior to him joining. He ran the Google comic for years.
- encryptluks2 4y agoI'm referring to the blog post link that was part of this comment thread. Did you read it?
- fisherjeff 4y agoWow, I’d missed the update on that post and hadn’t realized he’s a named plaintiff on the class-action suit against Twitter. Nice.
- Aleksdev 4y agoThe author comes off as a bit of a boat rocker. It looks like he was on the HR radar before Elon even purchased Twitter.