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As far as I know the Biden administration never got one of those "fact check" warning before Elon Musk. But Trump did, so the feature would be old, but how it g

As far as I know the Biden administration never got one of those "fact check" warning before Elon Musk. But Trump did, so the feature would be old, but how it gets applied would be new.

mikkergp 4y ago
That certainly is one interpretation of the facts.
- Ambolia 4y ago
  I wouldn't call it an interpretation. Either they were fact checked before and a link can be shown, or they weren't. Politicians lying certainly wasn't invented in November 2022
  - majormajor 4y ago
    Seems like it would be also possible that they were fact checked before and deleted it before and it happened quickly enough that it wasn't picked up on by media. This thread was started by an "As far as I know," and I'm not sure it's one of those things that could be definitely proven either way.
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    The tweet wasn't lying, it was actually missing context for once. You're just so used to the former white house account holder lying that you now assume fact check == lie... But I guess ignoring that and implying that some shadow cabal at Twitter turned off the fact checking for Biden, then Elon turned it back on, but claimed to not have not turned it on, despite things like that literally being his motivation to buy the site... is more exciting?
kaesar14 4y ago
One possibility is that the Biden White House probably outright lies less than the Trump White House did. The other possibility being the feature as it was applied to the Biden tweet did not exist during the Trump administration, which I posted in the original comment.
- osrec 4y ago
  - whateveracct 4y ago
    HN is full of contrarians. They aren't Trumpers but they like arguing with people who hate him.
- readthenotes1 4y ago
  Biden's original tweet was not an outright lie. It was even a half-lie. It was the solid truth. That's why the fact-check was to "provide context".
  - deathanatos 4y ago
    Unless you're interpreting the tweet like [1], a lie, > A statement intended to deceive, even if literally true. … the tweet is factual only to the extent required to deceive the reader. As the increase is a CPI adjustment, by definition real benefits aren't moving. Then there's the entirety of the problems that are being caused by the worst inflation of my life … that's to be chalked up to the Biden admin's "leadership"? The context changes the entire tone of the tweet, because it was a lie. The White House deleted it because they got caught in a lie. The Biden administration should be holding itself to higher standards than this. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33473072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33473072
    - readthenotes1 4y ago
      "The White House deleted it because they got caught in a lie." Worse, they got caught in a truth
- koolba 4y ago
  > One possibility is that the Biden White House probably outright lies less than the Trump White House did. More likely it's not a lie because the POTUS actually believes it's true. It's not a lie if you sincerely believe it right? Like how he keeps saying that gas was $5/gallon when he took office [1] (it was $2.39/gallon). Or how he claims that his own son died in Iraq [2] (he died in the USA). Though the best example would be the tale of Cornpop [3], in which a young Biden, working as a life guard at a city pool, tangles with a razor armed thug, himself with just his wits and a steel chain. It's entirely possible he thinks this actually happened. [1]: https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/28/politics/fact-check-biden-gas-prices/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/28/politics/fact-check-biden-gas... [2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/politics/biden-ukraine-iraq-beau.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/politics/biden-ukraine... [3]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/16/corn-pop-joe-biden-story-what-happened-is-it-real-swimming-pool-confrontation https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/16/corn-pop-joe...
nullc 4y ago
It would be helpful if someone would go find some older whitehouse tweets that were similarly misleading and ought to have been contextualized in the same manner. Otherwise it's just speculation. Besides, if the handling were really equivalent to the trump whitehouse people would be alleging that the tweet's removal violated the law because it removed the 1A protected 'fact check' text and/or violated records retention laws (both of which were argued WRT Trump). :)
jdminhbg 4y ago
> But Trump did, so the feature would be old, The Trump fact checks were a different feature that had somewhat similar results. Those were applied by the centralized Twitter team, this one is crowdsourced, and applies to lots of different accounts, not just this highly-visible one.

As far as I know the Biden administration never got one of those "fact check" warning before Elon Musk. But Trump did, so the feature would be old, but how it gets applied would be new.

mikkergp 4y ago

That certainly is one interpretation of the facts.

Ambolia 4y ago
I wouldn't call it an interpretation. Either they were fact checked before and a link can be shown, or they weren't. Politicians lying certainly wasn't invented in November 2022
- majormajor 4y ago
  Seems like it would be also possible that they were fact checked before and deleted it before and it happened quickly enough that it wasn't picked up on by media. This thread was started by an "As far as I know," and I'm not sure it's one of those things that could be definitely proven either way.
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  The tweet wasn't lying, it was actually missing context for once. You're just so used to the former white house account holder lying that you now assume fact check == lie... But I guess ignoring that and implying that some shadow cabal at Twitter turned off the fact checking for Biden, then Elon turned it back on, but claimed to not have not turned it on, despite things like that literally being his motivation to buy the site... is more exciting?

kaesar14 4y ago

One possibility is that the Biden White House probably outright lies less than the Trump White House did. The other possibility being the feature as it was applied to the Biden tweet did not exist during the Trump administration, which I posted in the original comment.

osrec 4y ago
- whateveracct 4y ago
  HN is full of contrarians. They aren't Trumpers but they like arguing with people who hate him.
readthenotes1 4y ago
Biden's original tweet was not an outright lie. It was even a half-lie. It was the solid truth. That's why the fact-check was to "provide context".
- deathanatos 4y ago
  Unless you're interpreting the tweet like [1], a lie, > A statement intended to deceive, even if literally true. … the tweet is factual only to the extent required to deceive the reader. As the increase is a CPI adjustment, by definition real benefits aren't moving. Then there's the entirety of the problems that are being caused by the worst inflation of my life … that's to be chalked up to the Biden admin's "leadership"? The context changes the entire tone of the tweet, because it was a lie. The White House deleted it because they got caught in a lie. The Biden administration should be holding itself to higher standards than this. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33473072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33473072
  - readthenotes1 4y ago
    "The White House deleted it because they got caught in a lie." Worse, they got caught in a truth
koolba 4y ago
> One possibility is that the Biden White House probably outright lies less than the Trump White House did. More likely it's not a lie because the POTUS actually believes it's true. It's not a lie if you sincerely believe it right? Like how he keeps saying that gas was $5/gallon when he took office [1] (it was $2.39/gallon). Or how he claims that his own son died in Iraq [2] (he died in the USA). Though the best example would be the tale of Cornpop [3], in which a young Biden, working as a life guard at a city pool, tangles with a razor armed thug, himself with just his wits and a steel chain. It's entirely possible he thinks this actually happened. [1]: https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/28/politics/fact-check-biden-gas-prices/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/28/politics/fact-check-biden-gas... [2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/politics/biden-ukraine-iraq-beau.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/politics/biden-ukraine... [3]: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/16/corn-pop-joe-biden-story-what-happened-is-it-real-swimming-pool-confrontation https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/16/corn-pop-joe...

nullc 4y ago

It would be helpful if someone would go find some older whitehouse tweets that were similarly misleading and ought to have been contextualized in the same manner. Otherwise it's just speculation. Besides, if the handling were really equivalent to the trump whitehouse people would be alleging that the tweet's removal violated the law because it removed the 1A protected 'fact check' text and/or violated records retention laws (both of which were argued WRT Trump). :)

jdminhbg 4y ago

> But Trump did, so the feature would be old, The Trump fact checks were a different feature that had somewhat similar results. Those were applied by the centralized Twitter team, this one is crowdsourced, and applies to lots of different accounts, not just this highly-visible one.