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Worship of Elon? In what bubble? The German Reddit sphere (somewhat diverse) and HN both seem to think of him as a joke at best.

Semaphor 4y ago
Because it seems my usage of bubble is not universal, just as clarification, I see every group as a bubble, there are smaller and bigger bubbles. I did not mean to imply that worshipping Elon is some kind of rarity.
kaesar14 4y ago
How am I supposed to counter-fact this? Elon's tweets are among the most favorited tweets of all time regularly topping out over 1M. The average person likely has quite a positive view of him - the right-wing of American politics definitely does.
- ianai 4y ago
  I’ve noticed a trend on YT. If someone’s going to criticize Tesla or Elon they don’t outright say the name. They say “that other big EV company” or similar. That’s about as good a demonstration of censoring dissent as can get.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  You did it right, this was pretty much the information I was looking for. I know neither much about the American public, nor their right-wingers, nor Twitter.
- wilg 4y ago
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1304563/us-adults-impression-of-elon-musk/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1304563/us-adults-impres...
- hersko 4y ago
  I view him favorably for a variety of reasons. I have yet to see any reason to hate him with the obsessive fervor commonly displayed on reddit. I honestly just feel like his right-wing leaning/anti narrative tweets drove the left insane.
  - lambic2 4y ago
    Accusing a guy to be a pedophile with zero evidence was one thing. It's just a pretty asshole thing to do, especially when you have millions of followers and can ruin that guy's life with a tweet. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk...
    - nverno 4y ago
      He seems to be a guy that acts impulsively. But, being somewhat of an asshole once or twice over the years is hardly worthy of the passionate hatred some people have for him. It is more about greed/envy/etc. imho. The world is a more interesting place with Elon in it, from my point of view.
    - dotnet00 4y ago
      It was indeed a pretty asshole thing to do, but so is telling someone trying to help to 'shove it where it hurts' and as far as I'm aware, Musk is the only one of the two to have actually apologized for being an ass there.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  The average person does not and never has used twitter on a daily basis.
Waterluvian 4y ago
I am confident in saying that your Redditsphere, like mine, is absolutely NOT representative of any general population. Hacker News is obviously even less so. Log out of Twitter if you have one, find an Elon tweet, and start reading the tens of thousands of comments. Bonus, if you have a well-curated account: log back in and read what comments automatically get pushed to the top. For me, it's a ton of accounts I follow being critical of Elon's takes on stuff.
- VectorLock 4y ago
  Is the Elonsphere more or less representative of the general population than the Redditsphere or the HackerNewssphere?
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    Probably just as bad, if not worse. But that makes the point, no? Go find a biased sample and you can make any narrative work.
- dotnet00 4y ago
  You're talking about looking at replies to Elon tweets, but it's kind of a given that they're more likely to be Musk supporters simply because most healthy people don't follow or obsessively pay attention to someone they don't like?
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    Indeed. Demonstrating that a biased sample can generate either side of this perspective. Especially with my login/logout example. You can see all this disagreement (my followers) or all this agreement (his followers)
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > Log out of Twitter if you have one, find an Elon tweet, and start reading the tens of thousands of comments. That's like trying to figure out what society thinks of me by reading my birthday cards.
fazfq 4y ago
I will choose not to believe that the "german reddit sphere" is politically diverse in a meaningful way.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  More diverse than my friend and family or HN. The English language one worships authority, the German language side is mostly small children who are slightly left wing. That certainly falls under "somewhat"diverse IMO, which is a pretty low bar.

Semaphor 4y ago

Because it seems my usage of bubble is not universal, just as clarification, I see every group as a bubble, there are smaller and bigger bubbles. I did not mean to imply that worshipping Elon is some kind of rarity.

kaesar14 4y ago

How am I supposed to counter-fact this? Elon's tweets are among the most favorited tweets of all time regularly topping out over 1M. The average person likely has quite a positive view of him - the right-wing of American politics definitely does.

ianai 4y ago
I’ve noticed a trend on YT. If someone’s going to criticize Tesla or Elon they don’t outright say the name. They say “that other big EV company” or similar. That’s about as good a demonstration of censoring dissent as can get.
Semaphor 4y ago
You did it right, this was pretty much the information I was looking for. I know neither much about the American public, nor their right-wingers, nor Twitter.
wilg 4y ago
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1304563/us-adults-impression-of-elon-musk/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1304563/us-adults-impres...
hersko 4y ago
I view him favorably for a variety of reasons. I have yet to see any reason to hate him with the obsessive fervor commonly displayed on reddit. I honestly just feel like his right-wing leaning/anti narrative tweets drove the left insane.
- lambic2 4y ago
  Accusing a guy to be a pedophile with zero evidence was one thing. It's just a pretty asshole thing to do, especially when you have millions of followers and can ruin that guy's life with a tweet. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk...
  - nverno 4y ago
    He seems to be a guy that acts impulsively. But, being somewhat of an asshole once or twice over the years is hardly worthy of the passionate hatred some people have for him. It is more about greed/envy/etc. imho. The world is a more interesting place with Elon in it, from my point of view.
  - dotnet00 4y ago
    It was indeed a pretty asshole thing to do, but so is telling someone trying to help to 'shove it where it hurts' and as far as I'm aware, Musk is the only one of the two to have actually apologized for being an ass there.
MisterBastahrd 4y ago
The average person does not and never has used twitter on a daily basis.

Waterluvian 4y ago

I am confident in saying that your Redditsphere, like mine, is absolutely NOT representative of any general population. Hacker News is obviously even less so. Log out of Twitter if you have one, find an Elon tweet, and start reading the tens of thousands of comments. Bonus, if you have a well-curated account: log back in and read what comments automatically get pushed to the top. For me, it's a ton of accounts I follow being critical of Elon's takes on stuff.

VectorLock 4y ago
Is the Elonsphere more or less representative of the general population than the Redditsphere or the HackerNewssphere?
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  Probably just as bad, if not worse. But that makes the point, no? Go find a biased sample and you can make any narrative work.
dotnet00 4y ago
You're talking about looking at replies to Elon tweets, but it's kind of a given that they're more likely to be Musk supporters simply because most healthy people don't follow or obsessively pay attention to someone they don't like?
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  Indeed. Demonstrating that a biased sample can generate either side of this perspective. Especially with my login/logout example. You can see all this disagreement (my followers) or all this agreement (his followers)
pessimizer 4y ago
> Log out of Twitter if you have one, find an Elon tweet, and start reading the tens of thousands of comments. That's like trying to figure out what society thinks of me by reading my birthday cards.

fazfq 4y ago

I will choose not to believe that the "german reddit sphere" is politically diverse in a meaningful way.

Semaphor 4y ago
More diverse than my friend and family or HN. The English language one worships authority, the German language side is mostly small children who are slightly left wing. That certainly falls under "somewhat"diverse IMO, which is a pretty low bar.