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Elon has made no content moderation changes to Twitter yet. This feature has existed for 8 months and is community driven: https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics

Elon has made no content moderation changes to Twitter yet. This feature has existed for 8 months and is community driven: https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2022/building-a-better-birdwatch https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2022/building-.... The worst part of this acquisition is the groan-worthy expansion of Elon worship in public discourse.

Ambolia 4y ago
As far as I know the Biden administration never got one of those "fact check" warning before Elon Musk. But Trump did, so the feature would be old, but how it gets applied would be new.
- mikkergp 4y ago
  That certainly is one interpretation of the facts.
  - Ambolia 4y ago
    I wouldn't call it an interpretation. Either they were fact checked before and a link can be shown, or they weren't. Politicians lying certainly wasn't invented in November 2022
    - majormajor 4y ago
      Seems like it would be also possible that they were fact checked before and deleted it before and it happened quickly enough that it wasn't picked up on by media. This thread was started by an "As far as I know," and I'm not sure it's one of those things that could be definitely proven either way.
    - BoorishBears 4y ago
      The tweet wasn't lying, it was actually missing context for once. You're just so used to the former white house account holder lying that you now assume fact check == lie... But I guess ignoring that and implying that some shadow cabal at Twitter turned off the fact checking for Biden, then Elon turned it back on, but claimed to not have not turned it on, despite things like that literally being his motivation to buy the site... is more exciting?
- kaesar14 4y ago
  One possibility is that the Biden White House probably outright lies less than the Trump White House did. The other possibility being the feature as it was applied to the Biden tweet did not exist during the Trump administration, which I posted in the original comment.
  - osrec 4y ago
    - whateveracct 4y ago
      HN is full of contrarians. They aren't Trumpers but they like arguing with people who hate him.
  - readthenotes1 4y ago
    Biden's original tweet was not an outright lie. It was even a half-lie. It was the solid truth. That's why the fact-check was to "provide context".
    - deathanatos 4y ago
      Unless you're interpreting the tweet like [1], a lie, > A statement intended to deceive, even if literally true. … the tweet is factual only to the extent required to deceive the reader. As the increase is a CPI adjustment, by definition real benefits aren't moving. Then there's the entirety of the problems that are being caused by the worst inflation of my life … that's to be chalked up to the Biden admin's "leadership"? The context changes the entire tone of the tweet, because it was a lie. The White House deleted it because they got caught in a lie. The Biden administration should be holding itself to higher standards than this. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33473072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33473072
      - readthenotes1 4y ago
        "The White House deleted it because they got caught in a lie." Worse, they got caught in a truth
- nullc 4y ago
  It would be helpful if someone would go find some older whitehouse tweets that were similarly misleading and ought to have been contextualized in the same manner. Otherwise it's just speculation. Besides, if the handling were really equivalent to the trump whitehouse people would be alleging that the tweet's removal violated the law because it removed the 1A protected 'fact check' text and/or violated records retention laws (both of which were argued WRT Trump). :)
- jdminhbg 4y ago
  > But Trump did, so the feature would be old, The Trump fact checks were a different feature that had somewhat similar results. Those were applied by the centralized Twitter team, this one is crowdsourced, and applies to lots of different accounts, not just this highly-visible one.
Semaphor 4y ago
Worship of Elon? In what bubble? The German Reddit sphere (somewhat diverse) and HN both seem to think of him as a joke at best.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  Because it seems my usage of bubble is not universal, just as clarification, I see every group as a bubble, there are smaller and bigger bubbles. I did not mean to imply that worshipping Elon is some kind of rarity.
- kaesar14 4y ago
  How am I supposed to counter-fact this? Elon's tweets are among the most favorited tweets of all time regularly topping out over 1M. The average person likely has quite a positive view of him - the right-wing of American politics definitely does.
  - ianai 4y ago
    I’ve noticed a trend on YT. If someone’s going to criticize Tesla or Elon they don’t outright say the name. They say “that other big EV company” or similar. That’s about as good a demonstration of censoring dissent as can get.
  - Semaphor 4y ago
    You did it right, this was pretty much the information I was looking for. I know neither much about the American public, nor their right-wingers, nor Twitter.
  - wilg 4y ago
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1304563/us-adults-impression-of-elon-musk/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1304563/us-adults-impres...
  - hersko 4y ago
    I view him favorably for a variety of reasons. I have yet to see any reason to hate him with the obsessive fervor commonly displayed on reddit. I honestly just feel like his right-wing leaning/anti narrative tweets drove the left insane.
cal85 4y ago
Huh? I have seen the opposite, a huge outpouring of vitriol towards him on every platform I’ve seen.
- kaesar14 4y ago
  Try loading an Elon tweet and just reading the replies.
  - cal85 4y ago
    By “in public discourse” you meant specifically within the direct replies to Musk’s own tweets?
    - kaesar14 4y ago
      Yes, that's how Twitter works? People reply to Tweets.
      - cal85 4y ago
        You’ve got me there.
- yehCuz 4y ago
  Free market of ideas. Don’t focus on the meaning of any given statement but the volume of attempts at contrarian statement. What Elon’s businesses are trying to accomplish is not essential to the species. The species is not essential. The masses are tired of being squeezed to produce as the output and comfort is squandered and monopolized. That said, the public has to accept as well the planet is finite. Society does not just have a crony capitalism problem. The public, rich or poor, politician or citizen, has a consumption syndrome and conviction to fuck the future in service of our demand for novel experiences. Applying the awareness of infinitely big small numbers to the economy has lifted people up materially for sure. But the literal resources are not there for everyone to have the buying power of a CEO. At the same time, no theory of science I know of says Musk and co specifically must be enabled.

Ambolia 4y ago

As far as I know the Biden administration never got one of those "fact check" warning before Elon Musk. But Trump did, so the feature would be old, but how it gets applied would be new.

mikkergp 4y ago
That certainly is one interpretation of the facts.
- Ambolia 4y ago
  I wouldn't call it an interpretation. Either they were fact checked before and a link can be shown, or they weren't. Politicians lying certainly wasn't invented in November 2022
  - majormajor 4y ago
    Seems like it would be also possible that they were fact checked before and deleted it before and it happened quickly enough that it wasn't picked up on by media. This thread was started by an "As far as I know," and I'm not sure it's one of those things that could be definitely proven either way.
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    The tweet wasn't lying, it was actually missing context for once. You're just so used to the former white house account holder lying that you now assume fact check == lie... But I guess ignoring that and implying that some shadow cabal at Twitter turned off the fact checking for Biden, then Elon turned it back on, but claimed to not have not turned it on, despite things like that literally being his motivation to buy the site... is more exciting?
kaesar14 4y ago
One possibility is that the Biden White House probably outright lies less than the Trump White House did. The other possibility being the feature as it was applied to the Biden tweet did not exist during the Trump administration, which I posted in the original comment.
- osrec 4y ago
  - whateveracct 4y ago
    HN is full of contrarians. They aren't Trumpers but they like arguing with people who hate him.
- readthenotes1 4y ago
  Biden's original tweet was not an outright lie. It was even a half-lie. It was the solid truth. That's why the fact-check was to "provide context".
  - deathanatos 4y ago
    Unless you're interpreting the tweet like [1], a lie, > A statement intended to deceive, even if literally true. … the tweet is factual only to the extent required to deceive the reader. As the increase is a CPI adjustment, by definition real benefits aren't moving. Then there's the entirety of the problems that are being caused by the worst inflation of my life … that's to be chalked up to the Biden admin's "leadership"? The context changes the entire tone of the tweet, because it was a lie. The White House deleted it because they got caught in a lie. The Biden administration should be holding itself to higher standards than this. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33473072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33473072
    - readthenotes1 4y ago
      "The White House deleted it because they got caught in a lie." Worse, they got caught in a truth
nullc 4y ago
It would be helpful if someone would go find some older whitehouse tweets that were similarly misleading and ought to have been contextualized in the same manner. Otherwise it's just speculation. Besides, if the handling were really equivalent to the trump whitehouse people would be alleging that the tweet's removal violated the law because it removed the 1A protected 'fact check' text and/or violated records retention laws (both of which were argued WRT Trump). :)
jdminhbg 4y ago
> But Trump did, so the feature would be old, The Trump fact checks were a different feature that had somewhat similar results. Those were applied by the centralized Twitter team, this one is crowdsourced, and applies to lots of different accounts, not just this highly-visible one.

Semaphor 4y ago

Worship of Elon? In what bubble? The German Reddit sphere (somewhat diverse) and HN both seem to think of him as a joke at best.

Semaphor 4y ago
Because it seems my usage of bubble is not universal, just as clarification, I see every group as a bubble, there are smaller and bigger bubbles. I did not mean to imply that worshipping Elon is some kind of rarity.
kaesar14 4y ago
How am I supposed to counter-fact this? Elon's tweets are among the most favorited tweets of all time regularly topping out over 1M. The average person likely has quite a positive view of him - the right-wing of American politics definitely does.
- ianai 4y ago
  I’ve noticed a trend on YT. If someone’s going to criticize Tesla or Elon they don’t outright say the name. They say “that other big EV company” or similar. That’s about as good a demonstration of censoring dissent as can get.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  You did it right, this was pretty much the information I was looking for. I know neither much about the American public, nor their right-wingers, nor Twitter.
- wilg 4y ago
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1304563/us-adults-impression-of-elon-musk/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1304563/us-adults-impres...
- hersko 4y ago
  I view him favorably for a variety of reasons. I have yet to see any reason to hate him with the obsessive fervor commonly displayed on reddit. I honestly just feel like his right-wing leaning/anti narrative tweets drove the left insane.

cal85 4y ago

Huh? I have seen the opposite, a huge outpouring of vitriol towards him on every platform I’ve seen.

kaesar14 4y ago
Try loading an Elon tweet and just reading the replies.
- cal85 4y ago
  By “in public discourse” you meant specifically within the direct replies to Musk’s own tweets?
  - kaesar14 4y ago
    Yes, that's how Twitter works? People reply to Tweets.
    - cal85 4y ago
      You’ve got me there.
yehCuz 4y ago
Free market of ideas. Don’t focus on the meaning of any given statement but the volume of attempts at contrarian statement. What Elon’s businesses are trying to accomplish is not essential to the species. The species is not essential. The masses are tired of being squeezed to produce as the output and comfort is squandered and monopolized. That said, the public has to accept as well the planet is finite. Society does not just have a crony capitalism problem. The public, rich or poor, politician or citizen, has a consumption syndrome and conviction to fuck the future in service of our demand for novel experiences. Applying the awareness of infinitely big small numbers to the economy has lifted people up materially for sure. But the literal resources are not there for everyone to have the buying power of a CEO. At the same time, no theory of science I know of says Musk and co specifically must be enabled.