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When it's trivially easy to break the law and there are no obvious victims, and it can be done on computers, those rules go out the window. Almost everyone who

When it's trivially easy to break the law and there are no obvious victims, and it can be done on computers, those rules go out the window. Almost everyone who shared music on Napster would have never shoplifted a CD from a record store. Almost everyone who shares TV episodes on Bittorrent would never have stolen a DVD from a store or climbed up a power pole to illegally tap into cable.

rngname22 4y ago
When it becomes trivial to 3d print gray goo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo) I wonder if you'll sing the same tune to humanity's destruction or if you'd admit that there's a spectrum and there's some threshold past which a technology becomes condemnable. Because right now your statement basically implies there is no such threshold (since clearly the person you're replying to thinks podcast.ai is past it).
- BudaDude 4y ago
  Humanity had a good run. If 3D printing and AI podcasts is what ends us all, then so be it.
- twblalock 4y ago
  You can "condemn" it all you want, but if people can easily create gray goo we will all die, and no laws or social norms will save us.
canucklady 4y ago
Your single counter example is "people do media piracy". I personally do torrent media, and I'm pretty clear eyed that I do it because there are no negative consequences for me. It has nothing to do with computers or victims. There's no enforcement. If ISPs started fining people or cutting off access for pirating media I would stop because those consequences are worse than the benefit I get. Who benefits from making deepfakes, and how do we respond to them? By simply throwing our hands up in the air and upvoting you're encouraging this behaviour by normalizing it. If people recognize it as deception that violates consent it will be discouraged.
- twblalock 4y ago
  I have not encouraged, upvoted, or defended this behavior in any way. Nor will I condemn it. I'm just telling you how the real world works.
- smt88 4y ago
  As I said in another comment, deepfakes benefit those who want to manipulate the public into believing someone did/said something that they didn't. Do you really not see society-ending possibilities if every dictator or troll on earth had that power? Sufficiently realistic deepfakes will erase trust in any and all recordings of people doing things, whether those things happened or not.

rngname22 4y ago

When it becomes trivial to 3d print gray goo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo) I wonder if you'll sing the same tune to humanity's destruction or if you'd admit that there's a spectrum and there's some threshold past which a technology becomes condemnable. Because right now your statement basically implies there is no such threshold (since clearly the person you're replying to thinks podcast.ai is past it).

BudaDude 4y ago
Humanity had a good run. If 3D printing and AI podcasts is what ends us all, then so be it.
twblalock 4y ago
You can "condemn" it all you want, but if people can easily create gray goo we will all die, and no laws or social norms will save us.

canucklady 4y ago

Your single counter example is "people do media piracy". I personally do torrent media, and I'm pretty clear eyed that I do it because there are no negative consequences for me. It has nothing to do with computers or victims. There's no enforcement. If ISPs started fining people or cutting off access for pirating media I would stop because those consequences are worse than the benefit I get. Who benefits from making deepfakes, and how do we respond to them? By simply throwing our hands up in the air and upvoting you're encouraging this behaviour by normalizing it. If people recognize it as deception that violates consent it will be discouraged.

twblalock 4y ago
I have not encouraged, upvoted, or defended this behavior in any way. Nor will I condemn it. I'm just telling you how the real world works.
smt88 4y ago
As I said in another comment, deepfakes benefit those who want to manipulate the public into believing someone did/said something that they didn't. Do you really not see society-ending possibilities if every dictator or troll on earth had that power? Sufficiently realistic deepfakes will erase trust in any and all recordings of people doing things, whether those things happened or not.