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>[t]he dramatic layoffs with no severance They don't appear to be without severance[1]. >Today is your last working day at the company, however, you will rema

>[t]he dramatic layoffs with no severance They don't appear to be without severance[1]. >Today is your last working day at the company, however, you will remain employed by Twitter and will receive compensation and benefits through your separation date of February 2, 2023. >Within a week, you will receive details of your severance offer, financial resources extending beyond your Non-Working Notice period. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twitter-staff-jobs-axed-layoffs-2022-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi...

celerity 4y ago
From the article here it looks like people will stay on payroll until early 2023. They won't work but have to abide by Twitter's internal agreements. Does anyone know if part of these agreements includes not seeking other employment (a typical clause these days)?
- mirashii 4y ago
  That’s not a typical clause and specifically illegal in California. A more common clause in California employment contracts for salaried employees limits outside employment to work that does not interfere with one’s job responsibilities, based on the idea that as a salaried employee that job should be your primary job
Ancapistani 4y ago
Thanks for posting this - I was curious about the severance package. I'd consider three months' pay borderline "generous". I see two weeks' as the baseline, and anything over six weeks as "good". My understanding of the WARN Act is that it requires 60 days "notice". It sounds like Twitter is giving 90 days notice along 90 days of mandatory PTO, effective immediately. Having been laid off relatively recently (~2 years ago) and actively involved in hiring today, I expect that's not going to be long enough to seamlessly move to a new position, but it should be enough time and money to cut things back and weather the transition without dipping into savings - assuming you have savings, of course.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  Yeah, Stripe gave a similar severance and the top comment is how generous it is. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33450753 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33450753
Waterluvian 4y ago
So is this basically "you aren't technically fired. But do not show up and do not work." How does that affect other employment? Does this mean you can't go get another job until Feb 2, otherwise you have to quit (and receive no more severance)? And just to double check: if I was laid off "normally" tomorrow and got some severance package, that package still comes by way even if I got a new job on Monday? For this hypothetical let's place us in California.
- _jal 4y ago
  > How does that affect other employment? You should tell your new employer what's going on - they'll almost certainly run a background check and see it. But absent some specific odd situation, they aren't going to care. > if I was laid off "normally" tomorrow and got some severance package, that package still comes by way even if I got a new job on Monday? Technically, this would be subject to whatever terms your former employer wrote into the severance terms. But again, absent a weird situation, they don't care, they're just trying to get rid of you.
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    Thanks. So there very likely is not any sort of "weird loophole problem" here.
- dboreham 4y ago
  USA is a freedom country so you can do whatever you want. Loads of people have two and three jobs. Each employer has no right to know about the others (modulo valid competition concerns that are addressed via employment contracts).
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    Oh interesting. So an employer cannot blanket state "you must not work for another company while you work full-time here" even if you're NOT a "contractor"?
    - 4y ago

celerity 4y ago

From the article here it looks like people will stay on payroll until early 2023. They won't work but have to abide by Twitter's internal agreements. Does anyone know if part of these agreements includes not seeking other employment (a typical clause these days)?

mirashii 4y ago
That’s not a typical clause and specifically illegal in California. A more common clause in California employment contracts for salaried employees limits outside employment to work that does not interfere with one’s job responsibilities, based on the idea that as a salaried employee that job should be your primary job

Ancapistani 4y ago

Thanks for posting this - I was curious about the severance package. I'd consider three months' pay borderline "generous". I see two weeks' as the baseline, and anything over six weeks as "good". My understanding of the WARN Act is that it requires 60 days "notice". It sounds like Twitter is giving 90 days notice along 90 days of mandatory PTO, effective immediately. Having been laid off relatively recently (~2 years ago) and actively involved in hiring today, I expect that's not going to be long enough to seamlessly move to a new position, but it should be enough time and money to cut things back and weather the transition without dipping into savings - assuming you have savings, of course.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
Yeah, Stripe gave a similar severance and the top comment is how generous it is. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33450753 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33450753

Waterluvian 4y ago

So is this basically "you aren't technically fired. But do not show up and do not work." How does that affect other employment? Does this mean you can't go get another job until Feb 2, otherwise you have to quit (and receive no more severance)? And just to double check: if I was laid off "normally" tomorrow and got some severance package, that package still comes by way even if I got a new job on Monday? For this hypothetical let's place us in California.

_jal 4y ago
> How does that affect other employment? You should tell your new employer what's going on - they'll almost certainly run a background check and see it. But absent some specific odd situation, they aren't going to care. > if I was laid off "normally" tomorrow and got some severance package, that package still comes by way even if I got a new job on Monday? Technically, this would be subject to whatever terms your former employer wrote into the severance terms. But again, absent a weird situation, they don't care, they're just trying to get rid of you.
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  Thanks. So there very likely is not any sort of "weird loophole problem" here.
dboreham 4y ago
USA is a freedom country so you can do whatever you want. Loads of people have two and three jobs. Each employer has no right to know about the others (modulo valid competition concerns that are addressed via employment contracts).
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  Oh interesting. So an employer cannot blanket state "you must not work for another company while you work full-time here" even if you're NOT a "contractor"?
  - 4y ago