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Systems where the perception of distribution is unfair don't work either - it disincentivizes people from participating. Many of us have a psychological reactan

Systems where the perception of distribution is unfair don't work either - it disincentivizes people from participating. Many of us have a psychological reactance[1] reaction to such systems and no amount of trying to convince us that it actually is "fair" or that "everything is unfair" is going to change things. The only solution to this psychological problem is the construction of systems where it's not possible for the person taking more to tell the people they are taking from to "get used to it." 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4675534/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4675534/

WalterBright 4y ago
I've never heard anyone say their compensation was fair. They always felt they deserved more. Systems where everyone gets the same pay are also invariably viewed as unfair by the people who know they produce more than others. The fair price is when the price is set by Supply&Demand. All attempts otherwise produce worse results.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  I'm not sure why you made such a broad claim, but I'll be happy to exploit it. Please list all attempts and confirm they produce worse results.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    Public school teacher pay is based on education level and years of service. Nothing else. Public school results are significantly worse than private schools.
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      Right, but your argument used "all" and you've provided half of one example. You have to do it for every system. Again, I'm not sure why you universally qualified your argument. You're attempting to prove a universal with existentials.
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        > You have to do it for every system. Nah, not necessary. You just need to show a counter-example.
        kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Sorry, that's not how it works. The person making the claim has to provide the evidence. If you're making a claim, the most basic thing is to have the evidence to prove it. Make claims you can prove. Maybe next time.
        WalterBright 4y ago
        Actually, it is how it works. To prove something is possible, you need only one example. Can't prove a negative.
        kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Perfect! There is a small teapot orbiting the Earth on which is engraved "kelseyfrog is always correct and so am I." It is never wrong. I implore you to disprove this. Also, please learn about universal quantification. It should be covered by any computer science course.
- TuringNYC 4y ago
  >> The fair price is when the price is set by Supply&Demand. This seems like a simplistic model. The modern workplace has all sorts of gotchas. For example, what happened at DataRobot: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/as-datarobot-struggled-executives-sold-private-shares-at-peak-valuation https://www.theinformation.com/articles/as-datarobot-struggl... Lets assume everyone was paid fairly. What good is it if only the top folks could obtain liquidity on shares while everyone held on down the roller coaster of 2022?

WalterBright 4y ago

I've never heard anyone say their compensation was fair. They always felt they deserved more. Systems where everyone gets the same pay are also invariably viewed as unfair by the people who know they produce more than others. The fair price is when the price is set by Supply&Demand. All attempts otherwise produce worse results.

kelseyfrog 4y ago
I'm not sure why you made such a broad claim, but I'll be happy to exploit it. Please list all attempts and confirm they produce worse results.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  Public school teacher pay is based on education level and years of service. Nothing else. Public school results are significantly worse than private schools.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    Right, but your argument used "all" and you've provided half of one example. You have to do it for every system. Again, I'm not sure why you universally qualified your argument. You're attempting to prove a universal with existentials.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      > You have to do it for every system. Nah, not necessary. You just need to show a counter-example.
      - kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Sorry, that's not how it works. The person making the claim has to provide the evidence. If you're making a claim, the most basic thing is to have the evidence to prove it. Make claims you can prove. Maybe next time.
        WalterBright 4y ago
        Actually, it is how it works. To prove something is possible, you need only one example. Can't prove a negative.
        kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Perfect! There is a small teapot orbiting the Earth on which is engraved "kelseyfrog is always correct and so am I." It is never wrong. I implore you to disprove this. Also, please learn about universal quantification. It should be covered by any computer science course.
TuringNYC 4y ago
>> The fair price is when the price is set by Supply&Demand. This seems like a simplistic model. The modern workplace has all sorts of gotchas. For example, what happened at DataRobot: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/as-datarobot-struggled-executives-sold-private-shares-at-peak-valuation https://www.theinformation.com/articles/as-datarobot-struggl... Lets assume everyone was paid fairly. What good is it if only the top folks could obtain liquidity on shares while everyone held on down the roller coaster of 2022?