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I run an HR department, albeit not for one as large as twitter. I have done layoffs. I always consulted a lawyer and it never triggered lawsuits. There are l

by e40 4y ago

I run an HR department, albeit not for one as large as twitter. I have done layoffs. I always consulted a lawyer and it never triggered lawsuits. There are layoffs all the time at large companies that don't trigger lawsuits. Either he consulted a terrible lawyer or none at all.

nomel 4y ago
The existence of a lawsuit can't be used to judge the legality of the layoffs. Only the ruling can. It's possible (although a bit more unlikely) that the person filing the lawsuit is a terrible lawyer. Making factual statements/judgements seems misguided, at this point, in my IANAL opinion.
- Tangurena2 4y ago
  The lawyers filing this lawsuit were the same lawyers in the previous lawsuit over WARN Act violations. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33469900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33469900
Tangurena2 4y ago
> Either he consulted a terrible lawyer or none at all. I disagree. He got bit by lawsuits over a previous mass layoff at Tesla. The lawyers who filed this lawsuit were the same lawyers involved in the previous one. Links pointing to the previous case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33469900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33469900 I think that Musk learned from that, and reading the email employees received today, I think the lawsuit will be thrown out. https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twitter-staff-jobs-axed-layoffs-2022-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi... On first sight, the mass layoffs appear to violate both California & Federal WARN Act notifications. After reading the email, it appears that they are getting 3 months of "gardening leave" instead paychecks getting cut off at end of day. > An employer who violates WARN provisions is liable to each employee for an amount equal to back pay and benefits for the period of the violation, up to 60 days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retraining_Notification_Act_of_1988 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retraini... Europe has different labor laws. I know enough about them to know that I don't know enough to have an opinion on what might happen over there.

by e40 4y ago

nomel 4y ago

The existence of a lawsuit can't be used to judge the legality of the layoffs. Only the ruling can. It's possible (although a bit more unlikely) that the person filing the lawsuit is a terrible lawyer. Making factual statements/judgements seems misguided, at this point, in my IANAL opinion.

Tangurena2 4y ago
The lawyers filing this lawsuit were the same lawyers in the previous lawsuit over WARN Act violations. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33469900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33469900

Tangurena2 4y ago

> Either he consulted a terrible lawyer or none at all. I disagree. He got bit by lawsuits over a previous mass layoff at Tesla. The lawyers who filed this lawsuit were the same lawyers involved in the previous one. Links pointing to the previous case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33469900 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33469900 I think that Musk learned from that, and reading the email employees received today, I think the lawsuit will be thrown out. https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twitter-staff-jobs-axed-layoffs-2022-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi... On first sight, the mass layoffs appear to violate both California & Federal WARN Act notifications. After reading the email, it appears that they are getting 3 months of "gardening leave" instead paychecks getting cut off at end of day. > An employer who violates WARN provisions is liable to each employee for an amount equal to back pay and benefits for the period of the violation, up to 60 days. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retraining_Notification_Act_of_1988 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retraini... Europe has different labor laws. I know enough about them to know that I don't know enough to have an opinion on what might happen over there.