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Why is everyone so scared of guns? They're machines. You should be much more terrified of other people driving.

tayo42 4y ago
i don't want to get off topic to much, but its because no where else has killing devices around they way the US does. I've heard this sentiment a lot when traveling.
- seanw444 4y ago
  I have a killing machine on me every time I leave the house. I haven't killed anyone. I never will until someone threatens my life, or the life of someone close to me. I am quite certain I walk past many similar people daily. It reassures me when I think about it. I'd rather be around 7 people concealed-carrying at a business, than at a "gun-free" business.
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 The US has far more guns and far more gun violence than anywhere else in the developed world, by huge margins. Personal ownership of guns does not make individuals safer. Indeed, it's quite the opposite when you look at the data. Your anecdote is not data.
    - seanw444 4y ago
      I will take my anecdote over this data. I am undoubtedly much safer surrounded by moral gun carriers, than when I am around only unarmed people. My state doesn't even require permits to do so. Can't recall the last mass shooting that happened in this state. My boss is chill with me carrying at work. A couple coworkers know that I carry at work. The police are chill when I'm pulled over, and I announce that I am carrying. There's a culture issue. Guns aren't leaving. Banning them leaves us more vulnerable. Citizens commonly carried firearms around the world until the rise of fascism. Now the norm is disarming the populous. I'm more scared of my government knowing that the citizenry they govern have no means of retaliation, than I am of the very very miniscule chance that I'll have to stop a mass shooter.
      - sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        Ok keep ignoring data and reality and saying "how does this happen?" every time another mass shooting happens.
        seanw444 4y ago
        We agree there's a problem. We disagree on what the problem is, and how to fix it. You're not gonna fix anything.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        Quite a few other countries have solved the gun violence problem via gun control. The US could too. It's pretty logical that less guns = less gun violence. You will never be allowed to have weaponry that can seriously challenge the US military in any meaningful way, that govt resistance part is a pipe dream.
        seanw444 4y ago
        That was the whole point of the 2A. The government being too powerful doesn't mean "well it's over, let's just make them more powerful." Y'all take an existing problem and jump in the totally wrong direction with solutions.
mmastrac 4y ago
I think this is the question you need to ask yourself and understand.
newone2three 4y ago
I think (I _think_) maybe because they’re machines designed to kill people. Just a guess.
Moissanite 4y ago
Do guns also come with airbags and anti-roll cages to protect you from other people who don't know how to operate their gun safely?
- seanw444 4y ago
  Gun safety isn't the issue. Gun safety is heavily scrutinized and important to the overwhelming majority of moral gun owners. The problem is sociopaths that want attention. Gun safety doesn't fix that. Getting gunned down before they can carry out their sick acts, and not being talked about on corporate media, are what's needed.
sattoshi 4y ago
People fear what they don’t know, and the media pushing it as a partisan issue doesn’t help.
i_am_jl 4y ago
There are plenty of terrible drivers in Portugal and the US. That's not true of a gun violence problem.
VincentEvans 4y ago
Most don’t choose to interpret what they read in the most literal sense possible. American gun culture scares even a majority of Americans themselves. Incidentally we just concluded yet another trial determining the fate of yet another teenage shooter who committed yet another mass murder in yet another high school. Do we need to continue this debate?
- seanw444 4y ago
  You use the term "majority" pretty hastily. Are you speaking in terms of liberal city-dwellers, or all areas of America? We're up to half of the country adopting permitless concealed-carry, with others in the process. Doesn't sound like the majority of the country to me.
  - VincentEvans 4y ago
    I am using the term majority in a very traditional sense. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-a... 48% of americans think gun violence is a “very big problem”, 24% “moderate problem”, and 22% “small problem”. 6% think it’s “not a problem at all”. 53% favor stricter gun laws.
nine_zeros 4y ago
The difference is what is the primary utility of a gun vs a car. It is the primary utility that determines societal value.
- mrits 4y ago
  This makes absolutely no sense. Newspapers and cars have high societal value but reading the paper while driving a car does not.
  - nine_zeros 4y ago
    > This makes absolutely no sense. Newspapers and cars have high societal value but reading the paper while driving a car does not. Are we mixing and matching things just to prove a point? Because the only place where a gun really makes sense is at a war or at a place of extreme crime. Not while driving a car and not while reading a newspaper.
    - mrits 4y ago
      Your car is going to cause a mass extinction. My gun is going to sit in my closet. Critical thinking is, as they say, critical.
      - nine_zeros 4y ago
        > Your car is going to cause a mass extinction. My gun is going to sit in my closet. Critical thinking is, as they say, critical. Not so fast. Your gun (and its variants) are designed to cause extinction. Cars aren't. And listen up son. If you cannot distinguish between the primary use of things at a given time, you have big problems in life. I would recommend going back to high school to learn what "Critical thinking is, as they say, critical" means.
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i don't want to get off topic to much, but its because no where else has killing devices around they way the US does. I've heard this sentiment a lot when traveling.

seanw444 4y ago
I have a killing machine on me every time I leave the house. I haven't killed anyone. I never will until someone threatens my life, or the life of someone close to me. I am quite certain I walk past many similar people daily. It reassures me when I think about it. I'd rather be around 7 people concealed-carrying at a business, than at a "gun-free" business.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 The US has far more guns and far more gun violence than anywhere else in the developed world, by huge margins. Personal ownership of guns does not make individuals safer. Indeed, it's quite the opposite when you look at the data. Your anecdote is not data.
  - seanw444 4y ago
    I will take my anecdote over this data. I am undoubtedly much safer surrounded by moral gun carriers, than when I am around only unarmed people. My state doesn't even require permits to do so. Can't recall the last mass shooting that happened in this state. My boss is chill with me carrying at work. A couple coworkers know that I carry at work. The police are chill when I'm pulled over, and I announce that I am carrying. There's a culture issue. Guns aren't leaving. Banning them leaves us more vulnerable. Citizens commonly carried firearms around the world until the rise of fascism. Now the norm is disarming the populous. I'm more scared of my government knowing that the citizenry they govern have no means of retaliation, than I am of the very very miniscule chance that I'll have to stop a mass shooter.
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
      Ok keep ignoring data and reality and saying "how does this happen?" every time another mass shooting happens.
      - seanw444 4y ago
        We agree there's a problem. We disagree on what the problem is, and how to fix it. You're not gonna fix anything.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4y ago
        Quite a few other countries have solved the gun violence problem via gun control. The US could too. It's pretty logical that less guns = less gun violence. You will never be allowed to have weaponry that can seriously challenge the US military in any meaningful way, that govt resistance part is a pipe dream.
        seanw444 4y ago
        That was the whole point of the 2A. The government being too powerful doesn't mean "well it's over, let's just make them more powerful." Y'all take an existing problem and jump in the totally wrong direction with solutions.

mmastrac 4y ago

I think this is the question you need to ask yourself and understand.

newone2three 4y ago

I think (I _think_) maybe because they’re machines designed to kill people. Just a guess.

Moissanite 4y ago

Do guns also come with airbags and anti-roll cages to protect you from other people who don't know how to operate their gun safely?

seanw444 4y ago
Gun safety isn't the issue. Gun safety is heavily scrutinized and important to the overwhelming majority of moral gun owners. The problem is sociopaths that want attention. Gun safety doesn't fix that. Getting gunned down before they can carry out their sick acts, and not being talked about on corporate media, are what's needed.

sattoshi 4y ago

People fear what they don’t know, and the media pushing it as a partisan issue doesn’t help.

i_am_jl 4y ago

There are plenty of terrible drivers in Portugal and the US. That's not true of a gun violence problem.

VincentEvans 4y ago

Most don’t choose to interpret what they read in the most literal sense possible. American gun culture scares even a majority of Americans themselves. Incidentally we just concluded yet another trial determining the fate of yet another teenage shooter who committed yet another mass murder in yet another high school. Do we need to continue this debate?

seanw444 4y ago
You use the term "majority" pretty hastily. Are you speaking in terms of liberal city-dwellers, or all areas of America? We're up to half of the country adopting permitless concealed-carry, with others in the process. Doesn't sound like the majority of the country to me.
- VincentEvans 4y ago
  I am using the term majority in a very traditional sense. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-a... 48% of americans think gun violence is a “very big problem”, 24% “moderate problem”, and 22% “small problem”. 6% think it’s “not a problem at all”. 53% favor stricter gun laws.

nine_zeros 4y ago

The difference is what is the primary utility of a gun vs a car. It is the primary utility that determines societal value.

mrits 4y ago
This makes absolutely no sense. Newspapers and cars have high societal value but reading the paper while driving a car does not.
- nine_zeros 4y ago
  > This makes absolutely no sense. Newspapers and cars have high societal value but reading the paper while driving a car does not. Are we mixing and matching things just to prove a point? Because the only place where a gun really makes sense is at a war or at a place of extreme crime. Not while driving a car and not while reading a newspaper.
  - mrits 4y ago
    Your car is going to cause a mass extinction. My gun is going to sit in my closet. Critical thinking is, as they say, critical.
    - nine_zeros 4y ago
      > Your car is going to cause a mass extinction. My gun is going to sit in my closet. Critical thinking is, as they say, critical. Not so fast. Your gun (and its variants) are designed to cause extinction. Cars aren't. And listen up son. If you cannot distinguish between the primary use of things at a given time, you have big problems in life. I would recommend going back to high school to learn what "Critical thinking is, as they say, critical" means.

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