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This is a really tired take since it's not something that could possibly ever be known by you or anyone else not immediately close to Elon, and it's impossible
by 93po 4y ago
This is a really tired take since it's not something that could possibly ever be known by you or anyone else not immediately close to Elon, and it's impossible for anyone else to refute it because they have the exact same lack of insight into whether Elon is putting on a performance every time he leaves the house.
- lrvick 4y agoThe dude ran around saying he is a founder of Tesla which is provably false. He is no stranger to making things up to craft the image he needs.
- 93po 4y agoTesla was worth, at most, a few million dollars when Elon became their largest investor. They had no products. They had no sales. He turned a $2 million company into a $700 billion company, but he's not the founder because he wasn't in the paperwork for the first year of its existence in which very little happened? Ok. Additionally, a settlement was reached to literally call himself a founder. At this point it's boring semantics of what "founder" means. But go ahead and keep trying and failing to poke holes to push your unfounded narrative.
- lupire 4y ago"He paid someone to not dispute his lie" is not the defense you seem to think it is.
- whamlastxmas 4y agoYou are completely incapable of having an honest conversation about this
- innocentoldguy 4y agoThe same could be said of Ray Kroc and McDonald's, but it typically isn't because the McDonald brothers aren't the ones who made McDonald's ubiquitous on a global scale. Most of the time, Ray Kroc is considered the founder of McDonald's because he was the one to lead its global success.
- bandyaboot 4y agoExcept in the case of Ray Kroc, he actually was the founder of the company that became McDonald’s. He didn’t pay the McDonald’s brothers for the rights to pretend he was the founder.
- innocentoldguy 4y agoHe bought the franchise for $2.7 million and paid the McDonald brothers a percentage of profits. I don't see a difference between Musk and Kroc in this regard. Without Musk, Tesla wouldn't be what it is today just like without Kroc the McDonald brothers' business would have remained regional and small.
- bandyaboot 4y agoThe difference is precisely that Kroc is the founder of the company that is McDonalds while Musk is not the founder of Tesla. It’s a fact that Musk turned Tesla into what it is today. It’s possible to get that point across without falsely claiming you’re the founder of the company. Words have meanings.
- innocentoldguy 4y agoI disagree with your criticisms as you’ve stated them.
- skinnymuch 4y agoI’m confused. The parent shows one company was founded by the person. While in the other case, it wasn’t.
- woah 4y agoIt's entirely valid to be allowed to judge other's behavior, and guess at their motives, especially the (former?) richest man in the world. Mental models of other people are a core part of being conscious.
- 93po 4y agoThere's a difference between an intelligent and meaningful observation of behavior to guess at motives and just outright calling someone a liar and manipulator without any real basis or evidence because you don't like them as a person.
- SantalBlush 4y agoDogecoin is plenty of evidence. There is more.
- whamlastxmas 4y agoWhat illegal actions did Elon take that classify as "manipulation" for Dogecoin?
- SantalBlush 4y agoThese comments were discussing whether Musk has been manipulative, not whether he broke the law. You just made that part up.
- skinnymuch 4y agoWho brought up illegal? Why would that matter? This is about morality. > You are completely incapable of having an honest conversation about this Yeah only other people have that issue!