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The way employees were treated was beyond disgraceful. Really feel sorry for my younger self who believed that Musk truly cares about Humanity. Never ever hero

The way employees were treated was beyond disgraceful. Really feel sorry for my younger self who believed that Musk truly cares about Humanity. Never ever hero worship a billionaire while thinking he will change the world. They are all ego manic pos hungry for more and more control. Small things you can do a) If you care about environment don't buy an over expensive electric car. Think about efforts to improve Public transport b) SpaceX is not about putting man on Mars. It is about elon wanting to control world's internet through Starlink. Whenever a small nation falls for the trap raise your voice.

kylehotchkiss 4y ago
There are other billionaires out there doing good things, without needing to have a weekly news scandal: Bill gates foundation has made tremendous progress with healthcare in developing countries. He’s probably made as much progress that can made in these countries as the walls he’s hitting seem to be corrupt/incompetent governments rather and money or technical. Mark Cuban’s cost plus drugs company is making a life changing difference for Americans paying a lot per month in medicine, often saving their customers hundreds of dollars per month, and committed to expanding their selection of generic medicines.
CrazyStat 4y ago
Starlink's total bandwidth is about the same as a small regional ISP. There is no way it will ever "control the world's internet". Starlink will serve many places where terrestrial wired or wireless access doesn't make sense, including oceans, very rural areas, uninhabited areas, airplanes, rockets, etc. It will never be able to serve 1% of a high density city. It will never control anything on the scale of the world's internet. This is an absurd conspiracy theory.
- brtkdotse 4y ago
  Can't find the article now but it made an interesting point that Starlink is just busywork for SpaceX to keep launching rockets.
  - max51 4y ago
    I think it's similar to small construction companies using their staff during the winter to work on the owner's new rental properties. They can easily scale it up or down depending on how other projects/priorities are going and how many people don't have tasks to do. All of the deadlines and KPIs are internal and they don't expose themselves to lawsuits or financial penalties when they have to delay something. In the case of spacex, it's even more beneficial because they need to launch rockets anyway for testing. Sending them to space empty is a wasted opportunity.
  - partiallypro 4y ago
    Starlink has massive DoD potential, like it or not. Also could be big for banking. Their client facing aspect of it will eventually just be piggybacking off of those two industries.
- neel8986 4y ago
  https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/04/politics/spacex-ukraine-elon-musk-starlink-internet-outage/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/04/poli... Example of how musk can blackmail governments at critical juncture. Never ever should any govt depend on this egomaniac POS for such critical infra
  - loceng 4y ago
    There's no source or confirmation that 1,300 units were actually down, and, if they were down - it looks like because the service wasn't being paid for? Do you expect companies to provide services for free? The hypocrisy that Elon pointed out is that the military industrial complex is getting paid billions, but the ideological mob via captured MSM is smearing him for no longer wanting to provide free/subsidized services? P.S. Their "withdrepw" typo in the article, doesn't bode well for overall quality. Edit to add: Found another source confirming the units were down, oh - and look at that - it was due to non-payment. People demonizing Musk for war mongerers not paying their bills eh? Let the smear campaigns continue..
  - CrazyStat 4y ago
    "Blackmail" is a strange word for "we decided to stop paying the monthly service fee and service ended as expected." > Before the terminals went completely dark, Ukraine's Ministry of Defense made a request in early October to their British counterparts to pick up the $3.25 million monthly bill. The batch of terminals were also rotated out as concerns grew that service could be turned off, in order to minimize the impact, the source said. > A British official said after discussions between the ministries "it was agreed there were higher priority military capabilities." Among many other channels of support, the UK has been flying thousands of Ukrainian troops to Britain for training before they head back to the frontlines. It's possible for a perfectly reasonable person to justifiably strongly dislike Elon Musk, but what you're doing here is not that.
throwawaydec20 4y ago
Suckers are born every sec. I had many arguments with Musk rats with no success.
- DesiLurker 4y ago
  I was one of those suckers though I kept it mostly to myself (& dont own tesla stock or a tesla). I still do feel Musk's contribution in accelerating EV adoption is invaluable and help markets get over a 'internal combustion local minima'. Also he didn't have to use his pile of money to land rockets and make space launch cheap so I give him credit for that. BUT thats where it ends for me, IMO we need a barely winning, underdog Elon much more than this flamboyant, impulsive, A*h0le billioniare. what I worry about now is that musk fanbois are willing to bend the rules (in peacetime not covid panic or early days of EVs) for him will set a horrible pressident for workers in general.
sequoia 4y ago
"The way employees were treated was beyond disgraceful." Sorry I may have missed this in the article–was it something beyond being laid off? Being laid off sucks (it's happened to me) but it's a normal part of business operations.
- ninth_ant 4y ago
  They are treated like disposable trash, tossed into the wind by a capricious ultra-rich jerk who bought the company on a whim. The consequences of that poorly thought out “decision” meant the purchase had to be a leveraged buyout which necessitated heavy cost cutting. How is this not disgraceful? This not “normal business operations”, this is peoples lives being torn apart while the ultra rich play games with their livelihoods.
  - ghastmaster 4y ago
    It goes both ways. Employees get to quit at a moments notice, leaving the company scrambling to find a replacement at potentially great costs. The internet is replete with stories of employees quitting, leaving their companies in shambles trying to figure out how to fill the void. I choose to care about my employer and my employer chooses to care about me. I could make a lot more money at a company that does not care, but I value that relationship more than money. Everyone should have the choice.
    - Jalad 4y ago
      With respect, it doesn't really go both ways. > Employees get to quit at a moments notice Most employees have to work in order to make an income. To assume that it's at all common for employees to just jump ship and leave a mess behind is inaccurate > leaving the company scrambling to find a replacement at potentially great costs And to this point, most employees are redundant. Other employees can pick up the slack. A well managed organization usually doesn't let the bus factor get too high. And if an org isn't well managed, it's not fair to blame employees for wanting to leave > I choose to care about my employer and my employer chooses to care about me. I could make a lot more money at a company that does not care, but I value that relationship more than money. Everyone should have the choice. I think this is closer to the mark. Employment is first a legal agreement, but also a social agreement. And this is the social agreement that Musk is destroying through his game of chicken with Twitter. He doesn't get a pass because "it goes both ways"

kylehotchkiss 4y ago

There are other billionaires out there doing good things, without needing to have a weekly news scandal: Bill gates foundation has made tremendous progress with healthcare in developing countries. He’s probably made as much progress that can made in these countries as the walls he’s hitting seem to be corrupt/incompetent governments rather and money or technical. Mark Cuban’s cost plus drugs company is making a life changing difference for Americans paying a lot per month in medicine, often saving their customers hundreds of dollars per month, and committed to expanding their selection of generic medicines.

CrazyStat 4y ago

Starlink's total bandwidth is about the same as a small regional ISP. There is no way it will ever "control the world's internet". Starlink will serve many places where terrestrial wired or wireless access doesn't make sense, including oceans, very rural areas, uninhabited areas, airplanes, rockets, etc. It will never be able to serve 1% of a high density city. It will never control anything on the scale of the world's internet. This is an absurd conspiracy theory.

brtkdotse 4y ago
Can't find the article now but it made an interesting point that Starlink is just busywork for SpaceX to keep launching rockets.
- max51 4y ago
  I think it's similar to small construction companies using their staff during the winter to work on the owner's new rental properties. They can easily scale it up or down depending on how other projects/priorities are going and how many people don't have tasks to do. All of the deadlines and KPIs are internal and they don't expose themselves to lawsuits or financial penalties when they have to delay something. In the case of spacex, it's even more beneficial because they need to launch rockets anyway for testing. Sending them to space empty is a wasted opportunity.
- partiallypro 4y ago
  Starlink has massive DoD potential, like it or not. Also could be big for banking. Their client facing aspect of it will eventually just be piggybacking off of those two industries.
neel8986 4y ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/04/politics/spacex-ukraine-elon-musk-starlink-internet-outage/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/04/poli... Example of how musk can blackmail governments at critical juncture. Never ever should any govt depend on this egomaniac POS for such critical infra
- loceng 4y ago
  There's no source or confirmation that 1,300 units were actually down, and, if they were down - it looks like because the service wasn't being paid for? Do you expect companies to provide services for free? The hypocrisy that Elon pointed out is that the military industrial complex is getting paid billions, but the ideological mob via captured MSM is smearing him for no longer wanting to provide free/subsidized services? P.S. Their "withdrepw" typo in the article, doesn't bode well for overall quality. Edit to add: Found another source confirming the units were down, oh - and look at that - it was due to non-payment. People demonizing Musk for war mongerers not paying their bills eh? Let the smear campaigns continue..
- CrazyStat 4y ago
  "Blackmail" is a strange word for "we decided to stop paying the monthly service fee and service ended as expected." > Before the terminals went completely dark, Ukraine's Ministry of Defense made a request in early October to their British counterparts to pick up the $3.25 million monthly bill. The batch of terminals were also rotated out as concerns grew that service could be turned off, in order to minimize the impact, the source said. > A British official said after discussions between the ministries "it was agreed there were higher priority military capabilities." Among many other channels of support, the UK has been flying thousands of Ukrainian troops to Britain for training before they head back to the frontlines. It's possible for a perfectly reasonable person to justifiably strongly dislike Elon Musk, but what you're doing here is not that.

throwawaydec20 4y ago

Suckers are born every sec. I had many arguments with Musk rats with no success.

DesiLurker 4y ago
I was one of those suckers though I kept it mostly to myself (& dont own tesla stock or a tesla). I still do feel Musk's contribution in accelerating EV adoption is invaluable and help markets get over a 'internal combustion local minima'. Also he didn't have to use his pile of money to land rockets and make space launch cheap so I give him credit for that. BUT thats where it ends for me, IMO we need a barely winning, underdog Elon much more than this flamboyant, impulsive, A*h0le billioniare. what I worry about now is that musk fanbois are willing to bend the rules (in peacetime not covid panic or early days of EVs) for him will set a horrible pressident for workers in general.

sequoia 4y ago

"The way employees were treated was beyond disgraceful." Sorry I may have missed this in the article–was it something beyond being laid off? Being laid off sucks (it's happened to me) but it's a normal part of business operations.

ninth_ant 4y ago
They are treated like disposable trash, tossed into the wind by a capricious ultra-rich jerk who bought the company on a whim. The consequences of that poorly thought out “decision” meant the purchase had to be a leveraged buyout which necessitated heavy cost cutting. How is this not disgraceful? This not “normal business operations”, this is peoples lives being torn apart while the ultra rich play games with their livelihoods.
- ghastmaster 4y ago
  It goes both ways. Employees get to quit at a moments notice, leaving the company scrambling to find a replacement at potentially great costs. The internet is replete with stories of employees quitting, leaving their companies in shambles trying to figure out how to fill the void. I choose to care about my employer and my employer chooses to care about me. I could make a lot more money at a company that does not care, but I value that relationship more than money. Everyone should have the choice.
  - Jalad 4y ago
    With respect, it doesn't really go both ways. > Employees get to quit at a moments notice Most employees have to work in order to make an income. To assume that it's at all common for employees to just jump ship and leave a mess behind is inaccurate > leaving the company scrambling to find a replacement at potentially great costs And to this point, most employees are redundant. Other employees can pick up the slack. A well managed organization usually doesn't let the bus factor get too high. And if an org isn't well managed, it's not fair to blame employees for wanting to leave > I choose to care about my employer and my employer chooses to care about me. I could make a lot more money at a company that does not care, but I value that relationship more than money. Everyone should have the choice. I think this is closer to the mark. Employment is first a legal agreement, but also a social agreement. And this is the social agreement that Musk is destroying through his game of chicken with Twitter. He doesn't get a pass because "it goes both ways"