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>Every thread about something relating to him is filled with posts describing him negatively. As someone posting positively, this is due to brigading and downv

>Every thread about something relating to him is filled with posts describing him negatively. As someone posting positively, this is due to brigading and downvoting of anything positive. They tend to go to your profile and downvote everything you ever said as well. Luckily they can only do a few pages. Overall, Musk is brilliant and when he fixes twitter. It will be the place to be. >So, what is behind the attitude? Politics; there's a dying political movement which will soon no longer be represented in legislature. It's about to become a religion on the otherhand.

eatonphil 4y ago
> downvote everything you ever said as well. I don't think you can downvote things older than a day or two for what it's worth.
- hckrnewser 4y ago
lostgame 4y ago
Or; y’know, the majority of people here just don’t approve of his behaviour… Also; downvoting expires pretty quickly. This isn’t Reddit, you can’t just go back and downvote every comment someone wrote. :/
- xeromal 4y ago
  The guy you're replying to is so downvoted you can barely see their comment. They didn't even write anything bad. Just an opinion. lol
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    He accused people of brigading, rather than expressing their honest opinion. I'd downvote such an unsubstantiated (and false, at least in my case) statement if it weren't already so downvoted. I don't want to pile on, but they did write "something bad." Something can be "just an opinion" and still be "something bad."
    - xeromal 4y ago
      I'd say that the fact his post was downvoted kind of proves his point? edit: Changed wording
      - pwinnski 4y ago
        Brigaded? Or downvoted by a number of people who saw it and recognized that it contained an specious accusation? As I understand brigading, it involves calls from outside for people to come in, which I don't think it happening here at all.
        xeromal 4y ago
        Why do they need to downvote it. I'd just let it be.
        pwinnski 4y ago
        If I post a comment suggesting that xeromal's distaste for downvoting is because they have a tendency to post low-effort comments and generally not contribute to healthy conversation, would you just let that be, too? Perhaps you would, but many people might expect an accusation they consider untrue to be worth downvoting. This is an Ask HN. People are generally expected to upvote accurate answers and downvote inaccurate answers. An answer which includes false accusations of brigading, praises Musk as brilliant, and suggests that all dissension is due to politics is unhelpful, inaccurate, and worth downvoting. As I said before, I'd have downvoted it myself, but it was already sufficiently downvoted.
        xeromal 4y ago
        I'd agree with you generally, but I think in the spirit of this very specific discussion we're on, downvoting any comments that goes against the status quo seems disingenuous. It's like those unpopular opinion questions on reddit. Someone actually posts one and they are downvoted.
jari_mustonen 4y ago
Hmm... You might be right. Your comment is but a minute or two old, and it's already downvoted. On the other hand, there are already several other - quite immature - comments critical of Musk, not downvoted.
- incomingpain 4y ago
  Assuming I'm allowed to reply to you, generally when I get brigaded I can't. HN prevents me from replying. I'm not surprised, I already knew what I was saying was going to be shutdown. No hard feelings. >You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks. lol as predicted, HN shadow banned me again today. Lets see how long until I can post this reply. edit/ 1 hour shadow ban this time.
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    You seem to be using terms like "brigading" and "shadow ban" without any understanding of what they actually mean. It could be that this sloppy communication leads to many of your downvotes, more than some nefarious cabal.
    - incomingpain 4y ago
      >You seem to be using terms like "brigading" and "shadow ban" without any understanding of what they actually mean. It could be that this sloppy communication leads to many of your downvotes, more than some nefarious cabal. Here's 3 pretty good definitions of brigading, and these agree with me. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brigading https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brigading In terms of shadow ban, also proper usage when clearly I haven't been "posting too fast". It's an obvious shadow ban that lines up with the hour. The discussion of definitions is silly however. You blame me for sloppy communication. I accept the criticism. Perhaps I am using terminology people don't know or understand. I didn't communicate my message as properly as could have been. This is a failing on my part. Lets try without either term. Overall, I find when you go against the echo chamber and get harassed and manipulated on HN and aren't allowed to post for hours because they don't like what you said. This is not conducive to have conversations or discussions. All HN seems to be is everyone agreeing with each other. What's the point of HN if you cannot have conversations with others?
Markoff 4y ago
people downvoting you just prove your point had same thing happening to me with brigading and downvoting whole history of my posts don't dare to post anything slightly controversial for HN hivemind, you have better odds with diversity at Reddit than here and that's something to eat
- incomingpain 4y ago
  The irony is HN is supposedly or at least has the intent of harbouring discussions. The intent is to not be like reddit which is great but in practice it doesn't seem to have worked. There are some subjects which clearly are offlimits, you either agree with the hive or are not allowed to speak. I have thought about what Elon's next steps for twitter are. Step 1 is ongoing. Eject all the political activists. Cant right the ship when they are actively bucketing water into the boat. From the current reports, looks like this very much matches up with reality. Step 2 define what will be allowed and disallowed. Be transparent with what the rules really are. Fix the content moderation rules. Step 3 start the process of unbanning political prisoners. Probably starting with babylon bee. Step 4 deal with the fallout and consequences of these changes. Twitter is probably not far from major improvements.

eatonphil 4y ago

> downvote everything you ever said as well. I don't think you can downvote things older than a day or two for what it's worth.

hckrnewser 4y ago

lostgame 4y ago

Or; y’know, the majority of people here just don’t approve of his behaviour… Also; downvoting expires pretty quickly. This isn’t Reddit, you can’t just go back and downvote every comment someone wrote. :/

xeromal 4y ago
The guy you're replying to is so downvoted you can barely see their comment. They didn't even write anything bad. Just an opinion. lol
- pwinnski 4y ago
  He accused people of brigading, rather than expressing their honest opinion. I'd downvote such an unsubstantiated (and false, at least in my case) statement if it weren't already so downvoted. I don't want to pile on, but they did write "something bad." Something can be "just an opinion" and still be "something bad."
  - xeromal 4y ago
    I'd say that the fact his post was downvoted kind of proves his point? edit: Changed wording
    - pwinnski 4y ago
      Brigaded? Or downvoted by a number of people who saw it and recognized that it contained an specious accusation? As I understand brigading, it involves calls from outside for people to come in, which I don't think it happening here at all.
      - xeromal 4y ago
        Why do they need to downvote it. I'd just let it be.
        pwinnski 4y ago
        If I post a comment suggesting that xeromal's distaste for downvoting is because they have a tendency to post low-effort comments and generally not contribute to healthy conversation, would you just let that be, too? Perhaps you would, but many people might expect an accusation they consider untrue to be worth downvoting. This is an Ask HN. People are generally expected to upvote accurate answers and downvote inaccurate answers. An answer which includes false accusations of brigading, praises Musk as brilliant, and suggests that all dissension is due to politics is unhelpful, inaccurate, and worth downvoting. As I said before, I'd have downvoted it myself, but it was already sufficiently downvoted.
        xeromal 4y ago
        I'd agree with you generally, but I think in the spirit of this very specific discussion we're on, downvoting any comments that goes against the status quo seems disingenuous. It's like those unpopular opinion questions on reddit. Someone actually posts one and they are downvoted.

jari_mustonen 4y ago

Hmm... You might be right. Your comment is but a minute or two old, and it's already downvoted. On the other hand, there are already several other - quite immature - comments critical of Musk, not downvoted.

incomingpain 4y ago
Assuming I'm allowed to reply to you, generally when I get brigaded I can't. HN prevents me from replying. I'm not surprised, I already knew what I was saying was going to be shutdown. No hard feelings. >You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks. lol as predicted, HN shadow banned me again today. Lets see how long until I can post this reply. edit/ 1 hour shadow ban this time.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  You seem to be using terms like "brigading" and "shadow ban" without any understanding of what they actually mean. It could be that this sloppy communication leads to many of your downvotes, more than some nefarious cabal.
  - incomingpain 4y ago
    >You seem to be using terms like "brigading" and "shadow ban" without any understanding of what they actually mean. It could be that this sloppy communication leads to many of your downvotes, more than some nefarious cabal. Here's 3 pretty good definitions of brigading, and these agree with me. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brigading https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brigading In terms of shadow ban, also proper usage when clearly I haven't been "posting too fast". It's an obvious shadow ban that lines up with the hour. The discussion of definitions is silly however. You blame me for sloppy communication. I accept the criticism. Perhaps I am using terminology people don't know or understand. I didn't communicate my message as properly as could have been. This is a failing on my part. Lets try without either term. Overall, I find when you go against the echo chamber and get harassed and manipulated on HN and aren't allowed to post for hours because they don't like what you said. This is not conducive to have conversations or discussions. All HN seems to be is everyone agreeing with each other. What's the point of HN if you cannot have conversations with others?

Markoff 4y ago

people downvoting you just prove your point had same thing happening to me with brigading and downvoting whole history of my posts don't dare to post anything slightly controversial for HN hivemind, you have better odds with diversity at Reddit than here and that's something to eat

incomingpain 4y ago
The irony is HN is supposedly or at least has the intent of harbouring discussions. The intent is to not be like reddit which is great but in practice it doesn't seem to have worked. There are some subjects which clearly are offlimits, you either agree with the hive or are not allowed to speak. I have thought about what Elon's next steps for twitter are. Step 1 is ongoing. Eject all the political activists. Cant right the ship when they are actively bucketing water into the boat. From the current reports, looks like this very much matches up with reality. Step 2 define what will be allowed and disallowed. Be transparent with what the rules really are. Fix the content moderation rules. Step 3 start the process of unbanning political prisoners. Probably starting with babylon bee. Step 4 deal with the fallout and consequences of these changes. Twitter is probably not far from major improvements.