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And the class action for WARN Act violations has already been filed. Sounds like the Chief Twit didn't give 60 days warning OR severance, as required by law.

And the class action for WARN Act violations has already been filed. Sounds like the Chief Twit didn't give 60 days warning OR severance, as required by law. https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/4/23440304/twitter-mass-firing-class-action-lawsuit-violation-federal-warn-act-notice https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/4/23440304/twitter-mass-fir...

TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
And we all know that fines are just fees for rich people.
- q1w2 4y ago
  This is a non-substantive comment more appropriate for other social media platforms.
  - TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
    Well people don't seem to get it, so I guess you're right. As others have pointed out, Elon has already been involved with WARN lawsuits from former Tesla employees. He surely understands that the law exists, and what Twitter's obligations are under it. So what else could result in this apparent indifference, which so many other people see, and care about so deeply? Ergo, he must not care about the legal implications of how he is going about these layoffs. Hence, he must be ready to just pay the fines. But, sure, expecting people to connect those dots must be more appropriate for other social media platforms.
    - alistairSH 4y ago
      And not just Musk. Big companies regularly put themselves in a position to be fined by regulators. Either their lawyers are stupid (they probably aren't) or it's just a cost of doing business (it probably is).
- alistairSH 4y ago
  Sadly, as best I can tell, there are no real fines for WARN violations - at worst, Musk as to pay 60 days income and benefits, as he should have done in the first place. There might be a $500/day penalty as well (not sure if that's per person or total - either way, chump change to most employers that are subject to the WARN act).
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    Doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all. The point of the law is to provide worker stability. 60 days payed severance does that just as well if not better than 60 days notice and no severance.
q1w2 4y ago
If you actually read the lawsuit - it was filed preemptively to ensure that Twitter give 60-days severance/notice period. There is no evidence listed in the suit that says these employees were not given such notice. Further, it specifically states that employees assumed that they were laid of without severance because they were locked out of their accounts and hadn't been yet presented a severance package. The lawsuit is routine legal nonsense.
- voxl 4y ago
  You are assuming both: that there was in fact 60 days notice (how!?) and that there is in fact a severance package. Yet, why would you not be openly communicative of this if you intend to give it? So how is it legal nonsense if the lawsuit has good faith reasons to believe that neither of your assumptions hold?
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- kevstev 4y ago
  It appears they did not file a WARN notice: https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN Direct link to the list of recent WARN notices received: https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/jobs_and_training/warn/warn_report.xlsx https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/jobs_and_training/warn/w... I am not an expert on these things, but I believe this notice is required. I am surprised there is not an easier way to receive this information, this is certainly something I would want an alert set up on.

TheRealDunkirk 4y ago

And we all know that fines are just fees for rich people.

q1w2 4y ago
This is a non-substantive comment more appropriate for other social media platforms.
- TheRealDunkirk 4y ago
  Well people don't seem to get it, so I guess you're right. As others have pointed out, Elon has already been involved with WARN lawsuits from former Tesla employees. He surely understands that the law exists, and what Twitter's obligations are under it. So what else could result in this apparent indifference, which so many other people see, and care about so deeply? Ergo, he must not care about the legal implications of how he is going about these layoffs. Hence, he must be ready to just pay the fines. But, sure, expecting people to connect those dots must be more appropriate for other social media platforms.
  - alistairSH 4y ago
    And not just Musk. Big companies regularly put themselves in a position to be fined by regulators. Either their lawyers are stupid (they probably aren't) or it's just a cost of doing business (it probably is).
alistairSH 4y ago
Sadly, as best I can tell, there are no real fines for WARN violations - at worst, Musk as to pay 60 days income and benefits, as he should have done in the first place. There might be a $500/day penalty as well (not sure if that's per person or total - either way, chump change to most employers that are subject to the WARN act).
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  Doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all. The point of the law is to provide worker stability. 60 days payed severance does that just as well if not better than 60 days notice and no severance.

q1w2 4y ago

If you actually read the lawsuit - it was filed preemptively to ensure that Twitter give 60-days severance/notice period. There is no evidence listed in the suit that says these employees were not given such notice. Further, it specifically states that employees assumed that they were laid of without severance because they were locked out of their accounts and hadn't been yet presented a severance package. The lawsuit is routine legal nonsense.

voxl 4y ago
You are assuming both: that there was in fact 60 days notice (how!?) and that there is in fact a severance package. Yet, why would you not be openly communicative of this if you intend to give it? So how is it legal nonsense if the lawsuit has good faith reasons to believe that neither of your assumptions hold?
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kevstev 4y ago
It appears they did not file a WARN notice: https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN Direct link to the list of recent WARN notices received: https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/jobs_and_training/warn/warn_report.xlsx https://edd.ca.gov/siteassets/files/jobs_and_training/warn/w... I am not an expert on these things, but I believe this notice is required. I am surprised there is not an easier way to receive this information, this is certainly something I would want an alert set up on.