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The crazy part is taking the huge salary then demanding your employer take on some social justice cause that they have been neutral on or actually already accom
by protoc 4y ago
The crazy part is taking the huge salary then demanding your employer take on some social justice cause that they have been neutral on or actually already accommodating on.
- socialismisok 4y agoIt's not crazy at all. If you are a worker, you are the one actually making the company productive. If the majority of workers want their company to do a thing, that company should listen.
- milosmns 4y agoI see the username, but I still want to ask... how would your ideal company deal with a situation where all employees want to run the business in the ground?
- DonHopkins 4y agoLet's hope that's what happens to Twitter!
- socialismisok 4y agoI'm a strong believer in workers cooperatives and democratic organization. Usually, people don't want to run their livelihood into the ground, but sometimes they make errors. (Just like executives, if Amazon games and stadia are any indication.)
- megaman821 4y agoPeople are absolutely free to do those things right now. There are tens of millions of people with those sentiments. Why don't we see more attempted co-ops?
- socialismisok 4y agoSo, we have some giant coops out there. Some making billions in revenue. But in the US it's really not well supported. If you want to found an LLC you click a few buttons on a form online and talk to any lawyer. If you want to found a co-op, you generally have to file the paperwork in person or via the mail. No one in the municipal government will help, because they don't know anything except LLCs. You'll need to find a lawyer who can draft not only the articles of incorporation, but also can advise on the issuing of shares, democratic operation, and how new members can join. Because profits are controlled by the workers, capitalistic investors won't know what to do with you, so you'll need to put in extra effort to find investors who are willing to be paid but not be made owners (or not more than any workers). It's a high, high initial cost. But once it's going it can be incredibly self sustaining. Every dollar of profit ends up back in the pockets of the people working there, equally. Or they can collectively choose to use that profit to expand.
- megaman821 4y agoThanks for the thoughtful response. Sometimes the lack of cooperatives is framed as some sort of Capitalist conspiracy against them. It is much more tractable to point out friction in the system that make starting co-ops hard and then find solutions to solve those over time.
- socialismisok 4y agoYeah, I don't think it's particularly intentional, but it is systemic. And self perpetuating - there are few co-ops, so investing in making more is a low priority.
- michalf6 4y agoI like the idea in principle, but I can't imagine a situation where a worker cooperative would vote in favor of a risky, but necessary pivot / layoff / long-term investment. Sounds like a recipe for killing intra-company innovation.
- socialismisok 4y agoRight, the co-op solution is not to fire members, but split the burden of lean times across everyone. I don't think I've ever seen a CEO say, "I'll forgo my income this year to ensure we can keep the people here employed".
- DonHopkins 4y agoBecause they're nothing in the world worse than social justice, except for health care, not tolerating racism, and opposing fascism.
- dudeinjapan 4y agoSocial justice (communism) killed upwards of 100 million last century, by famines, gulags, mass exterminations, etc. and ruined billions of more lives. Fascism killed about 50 million (WWII + Holocaust), give or take. Both are abhorrent, but social justice wins the "Worst Thing Ever" award.
- DonHopkins 4y agoAbsolutely ridiculous. Social justice is not communism. Calm down: Treating women and gays and minorities and poor people equally as human beings is not going to destroy civilization. You've been brainwashed and you're parroting fascist propoganda. Take a break from Fox News or cocaine or whatever you're on, because it's making you insane.
- dudeinjapan 4y agoSocial justice goes far beyond treating women, gays, minorities and poor people as equals. Equal treatment is enshrined in the US constitution, for example. Social justice means not "equality" but "equity": looking at perceived disparities between social groups and then equalizing them by taking property from perceived "oppressor" groups and transferring to "victim" groups. This is exactly what Stalin, Mao, etc. did. Why does no one argue that Hitlerism/Mussolini-ism/Francoism wasn't real fascism? "Real" fascism would of course usher in an era of peaceful law and order, harmonious cooperation between govt and business... /s
- DonHopkins 4y agoYou're insane. Cut out the Fox and coke.
- tbrownaw 4y agoI thought higher pay tended to often to together with higher other benefits, like coworkers thinking you're important and management wanting your to think they're you're friend.
- dudeinjapan 4y agoThey out here saying tech workers are the downtrodden proletariat... they are not. They are firmly within the bourgeoise--top < 5% of wage earners in USA, and top < 0.5% in the world.