> I think one thing that hampers adoption of lisps is being a bit more beginner unfriendly I realize you're talking mainly (exclusively?) about the editor situ

> I think one thing that hampers adoption of lisps is being a bit more beginner unfriendly I realize you're talking mainly (exclusively?) about the editor situation, with which I don't disagree; but aside from that, I feel like learning Lisp as my first language sort of brain-damaged me for learning other languages, even ones thought to be simple to get started with like js or Python. The Lisp syntax and programming model are so simple to wrap your mind around that everything else, to me at the time anyway, looked noisy and inconsistent. Then I discovered Tcl and Prolog, found them as easy as Lisp to work with, and discovered I just have a super low tolerance for syntactic complexity.