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I'm absolutely certain Akamai will fuck Linode up, same as Rackspace ruined Slicehost -- which is what sent me to Linode in the first place. I'm waiting for a

I'm absolutely certain Akamai will fuck Linode up, same as Rackspace ruined Slicehost -- which is what sent me to Linode in the first place. I'm waiting for a new Linode to pop up.

esskay 4y ago
Out of curiosity what is a new competitor going to offer that the existing well established ones like DigitaoOcean, Vultr, etc arent?
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  I would much rather deal with a human-scale firm than a giant one. That alone would get me to switch, even at greater cost.
- mekster 4y ago
  DigitalOcean doesn't have much Asian presence, Linode's backup doesn't support non default file system like zfs, DO / Linode don't have HDD block storage like Vultr does (which I think is a hidden gem you can't realize until you go add one as it's not mentioned in the pricing page) that can be a very nice option to throw backup data in at 40GB/$. Vultr's CPU isn't as good as the other 2 by the look of sysbench, even for high frequency types. Those 3 vendors only have 2 or 3 backup slots which can be kind of unreliable if you didn't notice data loss over a weekend and weekly backup can be too far apart. Hetzner is almost perfect if they have a bit more location. Very cheap, very high performing, daily backup with plenty of slots but no HDD block storage. Sometimes Amazon Lightsail can be a decent option as they have 7 daily backup slots, free bandwidth is comparable to the others and prices aren't bad except their CPU suck. Small things but none are perfect.
  - tomxor 4y ago
    > DO / Linode don't have HDD block storage Linode have had block storage for ages, I use them for ZFS.
    - mekster 4y ago
      I meant "HDD" based block storage which should be far cheaper than SSD/NVMe based ones when you don't need performance.
mdasen 4y ago
I don't think that will happen with Linode (but I certainly could be wrong). When Rackspace bought Slicehost, people didn't really know what the future was going to look like. At this point, we've seen AWS/GCP/Azure and Akamai wants to have their own "run your apps with us" system. Unlike when Rackspace bought Slicehost, Linode probably isn't even the leader in its niche. That's probably DigitalOcean. Akamai probably figured out which of the two it could buy and DigitalOcean probably would have cost $4+ billion while Linode only cost $900 million. When Rackspace bought Slicehost, there were really two alternatives: Linode and AWS. AWS came with a lot of complexity and Linode was small. If you're looking for a new Linode to pop up, you don't have to wait. Vultr, DigitalOcean, and tons more already exist and have for years. It's not 2010 where you don't have loads of options in this space. Go with Hetzner or OVH Cloud and get really cheap prices (I've found Hetzner Cloud to be really nice). There are so many places that will give you a VPS today. Heck, AWS will give you a Linode-like experience with Lightsail, right? That's why I think Akamai wants to use Linode as a way to build something that will let them start getting into the AWS/GCP/Azure space. It's somewhat where Linode was already heading, albeit slowly. Linode started offering hosted Kubernetes, object storage, block storage, hosted databases, and load balancers. How long before they might have added a queuing system, an app-runner so you don't even need to think about boxes/load balancers, etc. For the low price of $900M, they could jump-start that process at Akamai. Rackspace thought that the future was their high-touch, high-cost, managed services. Akamai probably wants to use Linode to get into the AWS space and with a separate brand, they can do it without as much risk to their mainline business. There are too many alternatives for Akamai to be deluded enough to think they can just ruin Linode and not like that $900M on fire. That wasn't the case when Rackspace bought Slicehost.
- cheriot 4y ago
  Akamai looks at Cloudflare's valuation with envy (and some contempt because Akamai has the larger edge network). Definitely agree Linode was purchased as a growth opportunity.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    Cloudflare's valuation is for sure because its free therefore everyone uses it(~20% of the internet). If Akamai was also free and as accessible as Cloudflare, they would start to grow for sure.
fuckstick 4y ago
> I'm waiting for a new Linode to pop up. Eh, what? Vultr, DigitalOcean, Hetzner, OVHcloud already exist. The first 2 at least have feature parity I thought.
webmobdev 4y ago
Switch to Pair - https://www.pair.com/ https://www.pair.com/ - they are older than Linode and have a great reputation. (PS: However, I am not sure if they have been acquired by another company now. The "old" Pair had a sterling reputation, and I can vouch for that as a former customer.)
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  I'm paying for a few small Linux VMs. Pair has nothing all price competitive. They're also now part of a giant media company (!), so yeah, pass.
  - webmobdev 4y ago
    Look up "managed" hosting vs "unmanaged" hosting - that's one explanation why their services are costlier.
    - ubermonkey 4y ago
      ...but I don't _care_ why they're costlier, and also noted I don't really want to deal with them as an entity, so it doesn't matter.
      - webmobdev 4y ago
        Just pointing out that price comparison between two product or service needs to be done with similar yardsticks. A product or service being costlier doesn't automatically mean that it costs you more as it can save your business money elsewhere.
        ubermonkey 4y ago
        It doesn't really, though. I'm happy with what I'm getting for the price I'm paying. I'm not interested in a bigger spend here at all. So yes, it's completely fair to dismiss Pair as being too expensive based their prices alone.
- 4y ago

I'm absolutely certain Akamai will fuck Linode up, same as Rackspace ruined Slicehost -- which is what sent me to Linode in the first place. I'm waiting for a new Linode to pop up.

esskay 4y ago

Out of curiosity what is a new competitor going to offer that the existing well established ones like DigitaoOcean, Vultr, etc arent?

ubermonkey 4y ago
I would much rather deal with a human-scale firm than a giant one. That alone would get me to switch, even at greater cost.
mekster 4y ago
DigitalOcean doesn't have much Asian presence, Linode's backup doesn't support non default file system like zfs, DO / Linode don't have HDD block storage like Vultr does (which I think is a hidden gem you can't realize until you go add one as it's not mentioned in the pricing page) that can be a very nice option to throw backup data in at 40GB/$. Vultr's CPU isn't as good as the other 2 by the look of sysbench, even for high frequency types. Those 3 vendors only have 2 or 3 backup slots which can be kind of unreliable if you didn't notice data loss over a weekend and weekly backup can be too far apart. Hetzner is almost perfect if they have a bit more location. Very cheap, very high performing, daily backup with plenty of slots but no HDD block storage. Sometimes Amazon Lightsail can be a decent option as they have 7 daily backup slots, free bandwidth is comparable to the others and prices aren't bad except their CPU suck. Small things but none are perfect.
- tomxor 4y ago
  > DO / Linode don't have HDD block storage Linode have had block storage for ages, I use them for ZFS.
  - mekster 4y ago
    I meant "HDD" based block storage which should be far cheaper than SSD/NVMe based ones when you don't need performance.

mdasen 4y ago

I don't think that will happen with Linode (but I certainly could be wrong). When Rackspace bought Slicehost, people didn't really know what the future was going to look like. At this point, we've seen AWS/GCP/Azure and Akamai wants to have their own "run your apps with us" system. Unlike when Rackspace bought Slicehost, Linode probably isn't even the leader in its niche. That's probably DigitalOcean. Akamai probably figured out which of the two it could buy and DigitalOcean probably would have cost $4+ billion while Linode only cost $900 million. When Rackspace bought Slicehost, there were really two alternatives: Linode and AWS. AWS came with a lot of complexity and Linode was small. If you're looking for a new Linode to pop up, you don't have to wait. Vultr, DigitalOcean, and tons more already exist and have for years. It's not 2010 where you don't have loads of options in this space. Go with Hetzner or OVH Cloud and get really cheap prices (I've found Hetzner Cloud to be really nice). There are so many places that will give you a VPS today. Heck, AWS will give you a Linode-like experience with Lightsail, right? That's why I think Akamai wants to use Linode as a way to build something that will let them start getting into the AWS/GCP/Azure space. It's somewhat where Linode was already heading, albeit slowly. Linode started offering hosted Kubernetes, object storage, block storage, hosted databases, and load balancers. How long before they might have added a queuing system, an app-runner so you don't even need to think about boxes/load balancers, etc. For the low price of $900M, they could jump-start that process at Akamai. Rackspace thought that the future was their high-touch, high-cost, managed services. Akamai probably wants to use Linode to get into the AWS space and with a separate brand, they can do it without as much risk to their mainline business. There are too many alternatives for Akamai to be deluded enough to think they can just ruin Linode and not like that $900M on fire. That wasn't the case when Rackspace bought Slicehost.

cheriot 4y ago
Akamai looks at Cloudflare's valuation with envy (and some contempt because Akamai has the larger edge network). Definitely agree Linode was purchased as a growth opportunity.
- jacooper 4y ago
  Cloudflare's valuation is for sure because its free therefore everyone uses it(~20% of the internet). If Akamai was also free and as accessible as Cloudflare, they would start to grow for sure.

fuckstick 4y ago

> I'm waiting for a new Linode to pop up. Eh, what? Vultr, DigitalOcean, Hetzner, OVHcloud already exist. The first 2 at least have feature parity I thought.

webmobdev 4y ago

Switch to Pair - https://www.pair.com/ https://www.pair.com/ - they are older than Linode and have a great reputation. (PS: However, I am not sure if they have been acquired by another company now. The "old" Pair had a sterling reputation, and I can vouch for that as a former customer.)

ubermonkey 4y ago
I'm paying for a few small Linux VMs. Pair has nothing all price competitive. They're also now part of a giant media company (!), so yeah, pass.
- webmobdev 4y ago
  Look up "managed" hosting vs "unmanaged" hosting - that's one explanation why their services are costlier.
  - ubermonkey 4y ago
    ...but I don't _care_ why they're costlier, and also noted I don't really want to deal with them as an entity, so it doesn't matter.
    - webmobdev 4y ago
      Just pointing out that price comparison between two product or service needs to be done with similar yardsticks. A product or service being costlier doesn't automatically mean that it costs you more as it can save your business money elsewhere.
      - ubermonkey 4y ago
        It doesn't really, though. I'm happy with what I'm getting for the price I'm paying. I'm not interested in a bigger spend here at all. So yes, it's completely fair to dismiss Pair as being too expensive based their prices alone.
4y ago