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> I suggest those developers to stick to sites like https://github.com/trending https://github.com/trending instead of injecting their popularity contest questi

> I suggest those developers to stick to sites like https://github.com/trending https://github.com/trending instead of injecting their popularity contest questions in a thread about homoiconicity and lambda-calculus. You are not the sole person who gets to define what this thread is about. The participants together get to decide that, and if you don't like the result, move on, instead of trying to gate-keep. > We all know it I'm sorry, what? This is a public forum. You're saying a 20 year-old tech interested uni student who is checking out the site for the first time has precisely the same context and knowledge as someone who's been writing in lisp for the last 30 years? Your attitude does not bring something positive to the table here.

TurboHaskal 4y ago
> You're saying a 20 year-old tech interested uni student who is checking out the site for the first time has precisely the same context and knowledge as someone who's been writing in lisp for the last 30 years? No, but the trolls do. They know about the state of the language and hijack every Lisp related thread with this question just to troll. These are the majority. You don't happen to read many Lisp HN threads in detail do you?
- funklute 4y ago
  > You don't happen to read many Lisp HN threads in detail do you? Again, you could dial down the arrogance. I do read most threads on lisp in a fair bit of detail, and I don't often find "trolls". I usually find an assortment of people interested in discussing various aspects of lisp, including its real-world utility. And I mostly find the various perspectives to be nothing but positive additions to the debate. I daresay that you fit the description of a troll much more than someone who dares ask if lisp is actually useful.
  - TurboHaskal 4y ago
    There are many in this thread. You can see them if you squint or read between the lines.
    - CyberDildonics 4y ago
      Is pointing out the current state of lisp trolling?
    - funklute 4y ago
      That they disagree with you, or have a different perspective than you, does not make anyone a troll.
      - TurboHaskal 4y ago
        They have the same perspective as me: that Lisp is dead. I just wished they didn't go around these threads putting salt on the wound.
        funklute 4y ago
        I mean, if that's your angle, then I can sort of see your point. But at the same time: if I decided one day to properly learn lisp (so far my interest in it has been as a curious outsider), I would do so not because it's an active language, but because I'm interested in what I can learn from it. Yet I would obviously go and seek out whatever tools are written in lisp, both so I can feel that I'm really using the tooling, and so that I can look into how various real-world projects have been designed using lisp. None of that would make me a troll or a bad-faith actor in these kinds of threads. It simply means I would be asking questions about a topic on which lisp arguably does not excel, but for genuine reasons. Certainly not to rub salt anywhere. And I like to assume the same about other people who ask such questions.

TurboHaskal 4y ago

> You're saying a 20 year-old tech interested uni student who is checking out the site for the first time has precisely the same context and knowledge as someone who's been writing in lisp for the last 30 years? No, but the trolls do. They know about the state of the language and hijack every Lisp related thread with this question just to troll. These are the majority. You don't happen to read many Lisp HN threads in detail do you?

funklute 4y ago
> You don't happen to read many Lisp HN threads in detail do you? Again, you could dial down the arrogance. I do read most threads on lisp in a fair bit of detail, and I don't often find "trolls". I usually find an assortment of people interested in discussing various aspects of lisp, including its real-world utility. And I mostly find the various perspectives to be nothing but positive additions to the debate. I daresay that you fit the description of a troll much more than someone who dares ask if lisp is actually useful.
- TurboHaskal 4y ago
  There are many in this thread. You can see them if you squint or read between the lines.
  - CyberDildonics 4y ago
    Is pointing out the current state of lisp trolling?
  - funklute 4y ago
    That they disagree with you, or have a different perspective than you, does not make anyone a troll.
    - TurboHaskal 4y ago
      They have the same perspective as me: that Lisp is dead. I just wished they didn't go around these threads putting salt on the wound.
      - funklute 4y ago
        I mean, if that's your angle, then I can sort of see your point. But at the same time: if I decided one day to properly learn lisp (so far my interest in it has been as a curious outsider), I would do so not because it's an active language, but because I'm interested in what I can learn from it. Yet I would obviously go and seek out whatever tools are written in lisp, both so I can feel that I'm really using the tooling, and so that I can look into how various real-world projects have been designed using lisp. None of that would make me a troll or a bad-faith actor in these kinds of threads. It simply means I would be asking questions about a topic on which lisp arguably does not excel, but for genuine reasons. Certainly not to rub salt anywhere. And I like to assume the same about other people who ask such questions.