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So my cereal company is getting involved in politics now? I'm not Elon Musk fan, but he is pissing off a lot of people and institutions I don't care for.

xadhominemx 4y ago
They are pausing ad spend on Twitter because they don’t want to be involved in politics.
- afavour 4y ago
  It genuinely surprises me how many Musk defenders don’t get this. I understand the principle his no-moderation policies come from but the reality is that Twitter is going to become (even more of) a political cesspit. No brand is going to want to be associated with it.
  - tomp 4y ago
    - afavour 4y ago
      See, statements like this are just unhelpful. It isn’t a “left” vs “right” issue. The issue is an influx of racism, anti-semitism, violent threats and much much more. Saying it’s OK because the “far left” said whatever they wanted (what are they even saying that’s so toxic?) is asinine.
    - alkonaut 4y ago
      You probably want to consider the political normal to be the landscape that corporations is comfortable with. If companies become defensive then it might be politically extreme. If they are not, then it probably isn't. I think this idea that "every large company on earth seems to be 'far left'" is probably a sign that the vantage point might be shifted...
      - tomp 4y ago
        Maybe, but I'm speaking objectively. Jordan Peterson was cancelled because he claimed that Ellen/Eliot Page is a woman. This is just science/biology, which the far left deny and want to cancel. Meanwhile, you have UN Women (an official UN account) posting clearly sexist tweets like "Of all journalists killed in 2021, 11% were women." "𝐒𝐓𝐎𝐏 𝐓𝐀𝐑𝐆𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐖𝐎𝐌𝐄𝐍 𝐉𝐎𝐔𝐑𝐍𝐀𝐋𝐈𝐒𝐓𝐒". https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1587777181081559041 https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1587777181081559041
        alkonaut 4y ago
        I think if you think that was strange or hypocritical you need to take a deep think.
    - DannyBee 4y ago
      Actual studies suggest otherwise. https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2021/rml-politicalcontent https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2021/rml-polit... It's true that twitter's user base itself leans a bit left, but it's a few percent - Not like 80/20, like 54/46 or something. So calling it a "far left cesspit" is not backed up by actual data.
  - NickC25 4y ago
    It's going to become 4chan-lite. There's just too much risk in investing into a platform that will allow anyone to post unmoderated content that corporations just want out of Twitter altogether.
- xienze 4y ago
  Twitter was politically neutral before a few days ago? This seems more like a reaction to the Current Thing, which is "Elon man bad."
  - cheaprentalyeti 4y ago
    They've replaced Emmanual Orangestein with Elonnuel Goldstein.
- COGlory 4y ago
  What was Twitter last week? What was Twitter when they banned a sitting president of the United States? It's only now political because Elon owns it?
  - TheCoelacanth 4y ago
    You mean a sitting president who flagrantly violated their TOS? If anything it was political that they waited so long to ban him, not that they banned him when they did.
    - Zerverus 4y ago
      Exactly. Contrary to Thailand for example, the president does not get special privileges from private organsiations. People who ask for that are beyond the idea of democracy
heavymark 4y ago
Your cereal brand cares about profits like all companies so it doing what it thinks is best to not lose those. If being on the new twitter was more profitable in the long run then they would stay.
MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
> So my cereal company is getting involved in politics now? Have you been in cryogenic deep sleep the last decade? This is every single Big Corp now. No matter how you stand on these issues, but if subsidising abortion, flying the rainbow flag, enforcing affirmative action and supporting immigration isn't political, then what is?
- erellsworth 4y ago
  I mean, big corps have been deep into politics since forever. It's called lobbying, and they all do it.
  - MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
    Lobbying is "influencing power for your own advantage". This is the opposite, its submitting to a certain agenda, some of them clearly against their own interests.
    - erellsworth 4y ago
      Ok, I disagree that it's against their own interests. At the very least, I'm sure the people making these decisions believe it is in their own interests. But that's really beside the point. The point is, big business has always been political. I can't think of any coherent definition of politics that doesn't include "influencing power for your own advantage."
- xadhominemx 4y ago
  I don’t know what to tell you man. Support for LGB rights, abortion, and immigration are all popular in the US. If you exclude rural baby boomers, a demographic no advertiser cares about (except My Pillow and emergency meal prep companies), all of those things are very popular.
andsoitis 4y ago
> So my cereal company is getting involved in politics now? Then using your logic, Musk (and by extension Tesla, SpaceX) are also getting involved in politics? Why are you upset on the one hand (cereal) and not the other (Musk)?
- COGlory 4y ago
  Well for starters, I don't own a Tesla and don't use SpaceX. So they aren't really on my radar. I do, however, eat cereal.
Zerverus 4y ago
Why would not wanting to spend your ads on Twitter be political. The place is a brand risk, only Elon wants you to think this is about owning the libs This is how facists work- they frame anyone’s dissenting speech and actions as politically opposed.

xadhominemx 4y ago

They are pausing ad spend on Twitter because they don’t want to be involved in politics.

afavour 4y ago
It genuinely surprises me how many Musk defenders don’t get this. I understand the principle his no-moderation policies come from but the reality is that Twitter is going to become (even more of) a political cesspit. No brand is going to want to be associated with it.
- tomp 4y ago
  - afavour 4y ago
    See, statements like this are just unhelpful. It isn’t a “left” vs “right” issue. The issue is an influx of racism, anti-semitism, violent threats and much much more. Saying it’s OK because the “far left” said whatever they wanted (what are they even saying that’s so toxic?) is asinine.
  - alkonaut 4y ago
    You probably want to consider the political normal to be the landscape that corporations is comfortable with. If companies become defensive then it might be politically extreme. If they are not, then it probably isn't. I think this idea that "every large company on earth seems to be 'far left'" is probably a sign that the vantage point might be shifted...
    - tomp 4y ago
      Maybe, but I'm speaking objectively. Jordan Peterson was cancelled because he claimed that Ellen/Eliot Page is a woman. This is just science/biology, which the far left deny and want to cancel. Meanwhile, you have UN Women (an official UN account) posting clearly sexist tweets like "Of all journalists killed in 2021, 11% were women." "𝐒𝐓𝐎𝐏 𝐓𝐀𝐑𝐆𝐄𝐓𝐈𝐍𝐆 𝐖𝐎𝐌𝐄𝐍 𝐉𝐎𝐔𝐑𝐍𝐀𝐋𝐈𝐒𝐓𝐒". https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1587777181081559041 https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/1587777181081559041
      - alkonaut 4y ago
        I think if you think that was strange or hypocritical you need to take a deep think.
  - DannyBee 4y ago
    Actual studies suggest otherwise. https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2021/rml-politicalcontent https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2021/rml-polit... It's true that twitter's user base itself leans a bit left, but it's a few percent - Not like 80/20, like 54/46 or something. So calling it a "far left cesspit" is not backed up by actual data.
- NickC25 4y ago
  It's going to become 4chan-lite. There's just too much risk in investing into a platform that will allow anyone to post unmoderated content that corporations just want out of Twitter altogether.
xienze 4y ago
Twitter was politically neutral before a few days ago? This seems more like a reaction to the Current Thing, which is "Elon man bad."
- cheaprentalyeti 4y ago
  They've replaced Emmanual Orangestein with Elonnuel Goldstein.
COGlory 4y ago
What was Twitter last week? What was Twitter when they banned a sitting president of the United States? It's only now political because Elon owns it?
- TheCoelacanth 4y ago
  You mean a sitting president who flagrantly violated their TOS? If anything it was political that they waited so long to ban him, not that they banned him when they did.
  - Zerverus 4y ago
    Exactly. Contrary to Thailand for example, the president does not get special privileges from private organsiations. People who ask for that are beyond the idea of democracy

heavymark 4y ago

Your cereal brand cares about profits like all companies so it doing what it thinks is best to not lose those. If being on the new twitter was more profitable in the long run then they would stay.

MrBuddyCasino 4y ago

> So my cereal company is getting involved in politics now? Have you been in cryogenic deep sleep the last decade? This is every single Big Corp now. No matter how you stand on these issues, but if subsidising abortion, flying the rainbow flag, enforcing affirmative action and supporting immigration isn't political, then what is?

erellsworth 4y ago
I mean, big corps have been deep into politics since forever. It's called lobbying, and they all do it.
- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
  Lobbying is "influencing power for your own advantage". This is the opposite, its submitting to a certain agenda, some of them clearly against their own interests.
  - erellsworth 4y ago
    Ok, I disagree that it's against their own interests. At the very least, I'm sure the people making these decisions believe it is in their own interests. But that's really beside the point. The point is, big business has always been political. I can't think of any coherent definition of politics that doesn't include "influencing power for your own advantage."
xadhominemx 4y ago
I don’t know what to tell you man. Support for LGB rights, abortion, and immigration are all popular in the US. If you exclude rural baby boomers, a demographic no advertiser cares about (except My Pillow and emergency meal prep companies), all of those things are very popular.

andsoitis 4y ago

> So my cereal company is getting involved in politics now? Then using your logic, Musk (and by extension Tesla, SpaceX) are also getting involved in politics? Why are you upset on the one hand (cereal) and not the other (Musk)?

COGlory 4y ago
Well for starters, I don't own a Tesla and don't use SpaceX. So they aren't really on my radar. I do, however, eat cereal.

Zerverus 4y ago

Why would not wanting to spend your ads on Twitter be political. The place is a brand risk, only Elon wants you to think this is about owning the libs This is how facists work- they frame anyone’s dissenting speech and actions as politically opposed.