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Sorry, what? Am I misunderstanding? In Europe after you get fired, you can opt to just draw 50% of your old salary indefinitely? Who's paying it?

sweaty 4y ago
>Who's paying it? Very rich people and large companies, generally.
balfirevic 4y ago
> In Europe after you get fired, you can opt to just draw 50% of your old salary indefinitely? No, definitely not in "Europe" in general (well, according to sweaty you can in some parts of Europe, although I have my doubts).
windmaster 4y ago
That's certainly not true in all European countries. In Switzerland, for example, you get 70% (80 for very low salaries) of your old salary for 1.5 years (2 years if you're over 50). After that, if you still don't have a job, you're on your own (if you're broke, you can apply for social welfare).
olabyne 4y ago
Lmao, americans shocked when they realized that proper social welfare is a thing always baffles me. To reply to you genuine question : 1. Yes it is a thing. 2. Everybody is paying for it through taxes.
- kaashif 4y ago
  50% of yoursalary is not a simple safety net and is extremely excessive for well-paid software engineers of the sort being laid off at e.g. Twitter. I support a modest minimum income provided by the government, but 50% of salary indefinitely is insane, it only makes sense if everyone is low paid.
peruvian 4y ago
Properly taxed wealthy people and corporations.
- ryan93 4y ago
  So in exchange for software engineering salaries that are 8-10 thousand american dollars lower per month at least. you get a fraction of a much lower salary in unemployment benefits?
- apetresc 4y ago
  In what universe would that be "properly taxed"? You're saying I can work for 1 year in a $200K/year job and then draw $100k x 30 years = $3,000,000 of value from that one year of work? And it would be fair and just to tax "wealthy people" on my behalf for that? I still feel like I must be misinterpreting something here, because I can't imagine even the leftiest of leftists thinking this sounds fair. That's basically just UBI except the rate is set for each individual based on whatever the high-water mark of their lifetime earnings were at any point?
whoooooo123 4y ago
"Europe" isn't a unified system. Those benefits definitely don't exist in the UK, and I'd still consider our labour laws to be well-balanced and reasonably fair to both employees and employers.

sweaty 4y ago

>Who's paying it? Very rich people and large companies, generally.

balfirevic 4y ago

> In Europe after you get fired, you can opt to just draw 50% of your old salary indefinitely? No, definitely not in "Europe" in general (well, according to sweaty you can in some parts of Europe, although I have my doubts).

windmaster 4y ago

That's certainly not true in all European countries. In Switzerland, for example, you get 70% (80 for very low salaries) of your old salary for 1.5 years (2 years if you're over 50). After that, if you still don't have a job, you're on your own (if you're broke, you can apply for social welfare).

olabyne 4y ago

Lmao, americans shocked when they realized that proper social welfare is a thing always baffles me. To reply to you genuine question : 1. Yes it is a thing. 2. Everybody is paying for it through taxes.

kaashif 4y ago
50% of yoursalary is not a simple safety net and is extremely excessive for well-paid software engineers of the sort being laid off at e.g. Twitter. I support a modest minimum income provided by the government, but 50% of salary indefinitely is insane, it only makes sense if everyone is low paid.

peruvian 4y ago

Properly taxed wealthy people and corporations.

ryan93 4y ago
So in exchange for software engineering salaries that are 8-10 thousand american dollars lower per month at least. you get a fraction of a much lower salary in unemployment benefits?
apetresc 4y ago
In what universe would that be "properly taxed"? You're saying I can work for 1 year in a $200K/year job and then draw $100k x 30 years = $3,000,000 of value from that one year of work? And it would be fair and just to tax "wealthy people" on my behalf for that? I still feel like I must be misinterpreting something here, because I can't imagine even the leftiest of leftists thinking this sounds fair. That's basically just UBI except the rate is set for each individual based on whatever the high-water mark of their lifetime earnings were at any point?

whoooooo123 4y ago

"Europe" isn't a unified system. Those benefits definitely don't exist in the UK, and I'd still consider our labour laws to be well-balanced and reasonably fair to both employees and employers.