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> either terribly missing the point or written in bad faith Honestly, this comes across as a pretty arrogant statement. I think it is you who is missing the p

> either terribly missing the point or written in bad faith Honestly, this comes across as a pretty arrogant statement. I think it is you who is missing the point that many developers would genuinely like to see a cool language being _used_, not just admired or academically discussed. And the parent in no way disparaged the fact that one can very legitimately enjoy a language simply for the beauty of it. But it is still a very valid point to want to see it also being used for useful things.

TurboHaskal 4y ago
I know those developers exists, that's why I keep reading such messages in every thread about $dead_lang. I suggest those developers to stick to sites like https://github.com/trending https://github.com/trending instead of injecting their popularity contest questions in a thread about homoiconicity and lambda-calculus. Lisp is pretty much "undead". We all know it and nothing, even investing billions of dollars and man hours to build the best runtime with state of the art GC implementations and library ecosystem will convince the younger generation to use it instead of something like JS. So what's the point of these questions then? Rather than curiosity driven, most of them seem defeatist and a gatekeeping effort by trolls if you read between the lines (and I do agree the post I replied to is not an example of that).
- funklute 4y ago
  > I suggest those developers to stick to sites like https://github.com/trending https://github.com/trending instead of injecting their popularity contest questions in a thread about homoiconicity and lambda-calculus. You are not the sole person who gets to define what this thread is about. The participants together get to decide that, and if you don't like the result, move on, instead of trying to gate-keep. > We all know it I'm sorry, what? This is a public forum. You're saying a 20 year-old tech interested uni student who is checking out the site for the first time has precisely the same context and knowledge as someone who's been writing in lisp for the last 30 years? Your attitude does not bring something positive to the table here.
  - TurboHaskal 4y ago
    > You're saying a 20 year-old tech interested uni student who is checking out the site for the first time has precisely the same context and knowledge as someone who's been writing in lisp for the last 30 years? No, but the trolls do. They know about the state of the language and hijack every Lisp related thread with this question just to troll. These are the majority. You don't happen to read many Lisp HN threads in detail do you?
    - funklute 4y ago
      > You don't happen to read many Lisp HN threads in detail do you? Again, you could dial down the arrogance. I do read most threads on lisp in a fair bit of detail, and I don't often find "trolls". I usually find an assortment of people interested in discussing various aspects of lisp, including its real-world utility. And I mostly find the various perspectives to be nothing but positive additions to the debate. I daresay that you fit the description of a troll much more than someone who dares ask if lisp is actually useful.
      - TurboHaskal 4y ago
        There are many in this thread. You can see them if you squint or read between the lines.
        CyberDildonics 4y ago
        Is pointing out the current state of lisp trolling?
        funklute 4y ago
        That they disagree with you, or have a different perspective than you, does not make anyone a troll.
        TurboHaskal 4y ago
        They have the same perspective as me: that Lisp is dead. I just wished they didn't go around these threads putting salt on the wound.
- gglitch 4y ago
  > Lisp is pretty much "undead". Nice, I like it. Lisp as like the Dracula of languages: immortal and extraordinarily majestic and powerful, but doomed to forever prowl the night, feeding on the innocent--and occasionally turning them.

TurboHaskal 4y ago

I know those developers exists, that's why I keep reading such messages in every thread about $dead_lang. I suggest those developers to stick to sites like https://github.com/trending https://github.com/trending instead of injecting their popularity contest questions in a thread about homoiconicity and lambda-calculus. Lisp is pretty much "undead". We all know it and nothing, even investing billions of dollars and man hours to build the best runtime with state of the art GC implementations and library ecosystem will convince the younger generation to use it instead of something like JS. So what's the point of these questions then? Rather than curiosity driven, most of them seem defeatist and a gatekeeping effort by trolls if you read between the lines (and I do agree the post I replied to is not an example of that).

funklute 4y ago
> I suggest those developers to stick to sites like https://github.com/trending https://github.com/trending instead of injecting their popularity contest questions in a thread about homoiconicity and lambda-calculus. You are not the sole person who gets to define what this thread is about. The participants together get to decide that, and if you don't like the result, move on, instead of trying to gate-keep. > We all know it I'm sorry, what? This is a public forum. You're saying a 20 year-old tech interested uni student who is checking out the site for the first time has precisely the same context and knowledge as someone who's been writing in lisp for the last 30 years? Your attitude does not bring something positive to the table here.
- TurboHaskal 4y ago
  > You're saying a 20 year-old tech interested uni student who is checking out the site for the first time has precisely the same context and knowledge as someone who's been writing in lisp for the last 30 years? No, but the trolls do. They know about the state of the language and hijack every Lisp related thread with this question just to troll. These are the majority. You don't happen to read many Lisp HN threads in detail do you?
  - funklute 4y ago
    > You don't happen to read many Lisp HN threads in detail do you? Again, you could dial down the arrogance. I do read most threads on lisp in a fair bit of detail, and I don't often find "trolls". I usually find an assortment of people interested in discussing various aspects of lisp, including its real-world utility. And I mostly find the various perspectives to be nothing but positive additions to the debate. I daresay that you fit the description of a troll much more than someone who dares ask if lisp is actually useful.
    - TurboHaskal 4y ago
      There are many in this thread. You can see them if you squint or read between the lines.
      - CyberDildonics 4y ago
        Is pointing out the current state of lisp trolling?
      - funklute 4y ago
        That they disagree with you, or have a different perspective than you, does not make anyone a troll.
        TurboHaskal 4y ago
        They have the same perspective as me: that Lisp is dead. I just wished they didn't go around these threads putting salt on the wound.
gglitch 4y ago
> Lisp is pretty much "undead". Nice, I like it. Lisp as like the Dracula of languages: immortal and extraordinarily majestic and powerful, but doomed to forever prowl the night, feeding on the innocent--and occasionally turning them.