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> There is this list https://common-lisp.net/lisp-companies https://common-lisp.net/lisp-companies If you have so few that you can maintain a list, it kinda pr

> There is this list https://common-lisp.net/lisp-companies https://common-lisp.net/lisp-companies If you have so few that you can maintain a list, it kinda proves OP's point. Also as an addendum to his point, what about projects being written in the last decade or two? Emacs is cool, but it was created in 1976...

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vindarel 4y ago
Before this list, people said "Sure CL is used in production, there's Google and uh… Autocad". Now, we collect companies that we hear about. Nothing "official" nor exhaustive, of course. You can still complain, but not for the same reason ;) BTW this one is the list they are based on: https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies/ https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies/ See also https://lisp-lang.org/success/ https://lisp-lang.org/success/ http://www.lispworks.com/success-stories/index.html http://www.lispworks.com/success-stories/index.html
- User23 4y ago
  I thought AutoCAD was, like Emacs, written in its own ancient idiosyncratic dialect?
  - vindarel 4y ago
    yes! that's part of the illustration of the (past) lame lack of examples.
  - medo-bear 4y ago
    AutoCAD might (depending on the version) have an interpreter for AutoLISP scripting language. however it's not written itself in any form of lisp
Davidbrcz 4y ago
Every programming language doesn't have to be trendy on GitHub with a bazillion projects. Lisp was a major programming language as it powered nearly all AI research for many many years and many of it's ideas have spread into languages we use today. For instance, it was the first language with a garbage collector ! It has many more or less direct descendents that are used The fact it was created some 70 years ago, but still run nearly unchanged and has active users and project is an achievement.
- iLoveOncall 4y ago
  My question isn't taking any of that away from Lisp. I'm not saying it hasn't served its purpose, I'm just saying that the claim that it's not a dead language is wrong, and you seem to agree.
  - medo-bear 4y ago
    > I'm just saying that the claim that it's not a dead language is wrong Well your claim is just simply false. People have clearly demonstrated to you that CL is used today in production
    - iLoveOncall 4y ago
      "Used today in production" does not mean that it's not dead. I'm sure a lot of websites are currently in production running on PHP 4. Is PHP 4 dead? Yes, it is.
      - ctrlmeta 4y ago
        > "Used today in production" does not mean that it's not dead. I guess you need to define "dead". I have to agree with others here that Lisp is not dead for the simple reason that Emacs is not dead. Emacs has a thriving community of developers who code and use Lisp almost everyday to solve problems. Org-mode alone has a large number of users from all walks of life, from writers to event organizers and Lisp code is written for Org-mode everyday. There are high-profile well known companies that use Clojure for processing high volume of transactions. They are in all probability writing Clojure code everyday that is going to production everyday. What exactly is your definition of "dead"? P.S. You have also completely misrepresented my earlier comment in your comment here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33464215 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33464215 so I am not entirely sure if you are arguing here in good faith or if you have an axe to grind.
medo-bear 4y ago
>If you have so few that you can maintain a list, it kinda proves OP's point OP didn't really make a point. He just said that he would like posts about lisp being used in production > Also as an addendum to his point, what about projects being written in the last decade or two? It's a niche language so it's pretty pointless throwing lists of all CL projects in production at people. Instead I suggest you say what domain interests you and maybe someone who worked in your domain will be able to give a more meaningful response > Emacs is cool, but it was created in 1976... Wow I forget how old my operating system is given how "modern" it feels and that to this day nothing even comes close to it
- ctrlmeta 4y ago
  > OP didn't really make a point. He just said that he would like posts about lisp being used in production +1. I am the OP that asked the question. I wasn't making a point. I was asking a question. The company list provided in the response to that was helpful.
pmoriarty 4y ago
"Emacs is cool, but it was created in 1976..." It didn't end in 1976, though.. it's creation continues to this day. magit and org-mode are a couple of other killer apps written in lisp.
- jhbadger 4y ago
  Also, the Emacs that we know and use today (GNU Emacs) which is actually based on Lisp, started from a decade later (1985). The 1976 Emacs was written as a series of macros for the TECO editor (hence the name Emacs for editor macros).
- simplotek 4y ago
  > It didn't end in 1976, though.. it's creation continues to this day. Legacy projects tend to reflect the state of the art of the time they started, which reflects on aspects such as software architecture, technologies, and more importantly the overall technical commitment and technical debt which makes it hard or practically impossible to fix past wrongs or replace subpar technologies with better options. Emacs started out in a time when Lisp was the only game in town in terms of dynamic interpreted languages. That's perfectly fine. Would the same people stick with Lisp in a time when, say, the likes of Python and JavaScript and Node.js and Ruby and .NET exist?

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vindarel 4y ago

Before this list, people said "Sure CL is used in production, there's Google and uh… Autocad". Now, we collect companies that we hear about. Nothing "official" nor exhaustive, of course. You can still complain, but not for the same reason ;) BTW this one is the list they are based on: https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies/ https://github.com/azzamsa/awesome-lisp-companies/ See also https://lisp-lang.org/success/ https://lisp-lang.org/success/ http://www.lispworks.com/success-stories/index.html http://www.lispworks.com/success-stories/index.html

User23 4y ago
I thought AutoCAD was, like Emacs, written in its own ancient idiosyncratic dialect?
- vindarel 4y ago
  yes! that's part of the illustration of the (past) lame lack of examples.
- medo-bear 4y ago
  AutoCAD might (depending on the version) have an interpreter for AutoLISP scripting language. however it's not written itself in any form of lisp

Davidbrcz 4y ago

Every programming language doesn't have to be trendy on GitHub with a bazillion projects. Lisp was a major programming language as it powered nearly all AI research for many many years and many of it's ideas have spread into languages we use today. For instance, it was the first language with a garbage collector ! It has many more or less direct descendents that are used The fact it was created some 70 years ago, but still run nearly unchanged and has active users and project is an achievement.

iLoveOncall 4y ago
My question isn't taking any of that away from Lisp. I'm not saying it hasn't served its purpose, I'm just saying that the claim that it's not a dead language is wrong, and you seem to agree.
- medo-bear 4y ago
  > I'm just saying that the claim that it's not a dead language is wrong Well your claim is just simply false. People have clearly demonstrated to you that CL is used today in production
  - iLoveOncall 4y ago
    "Used today in production" does not mean that it's not dead. I'm sure a lot of websites are currently in production running on PHP 4. Is PHP 4 dead? Yes, it is.
    - ctrlmeta 4y ago
      > "Used today in production" does not mean that it's not dead. I guess you need to define "dead". I have to agree with others here that Lisp is not dead for the simple reason that Emacs is not dead. Emacs has a thriving community of developers who code and use Lisp almost everyday to solve problems. Org-mode alone has a large number of users from all walks of life, from writers to event organizers and Lisp code is written for Org-mode everyday. There are high-profile well known companies that use Clojure for processing high volume of transactions. They are in all probability writing Clojure code everyday that is going to production everyday. What exactly is your definition of "dead"? P.S. You have also completely misrepresented my earlier comment in your comment here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33464215 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33464215 so I am not entirely sure if you are arguing here in good faith or if you have an axe to grind.

medo-bear 4y ago

>If you have so few that you can maintain a list, it kinda proves OP's point OP didn't really make a point. He just said that he would like posts about lisp being used in production > Also as an addendum to his point, what about projects being written in the last decade or two? It's a niche language so it's pretty pointless throwing lists of all CL projects in production at people. Instead I suggest you say what domain interests you and maybe someone who worked in your domain will be able to give a more meaningful response > Emacs is cool, but it was created in 1976... Wow I forget how old my operating system is given how "modern" it feels and that to this day nothing even comes close to it

ctrlmeta 4y ago
> OP didn't really make a point. He just said that he would like posts about lisp being used in production +1. I am the OP that asked the question. I wasn't making a point. I was asking a question. The company list provided in the response to that was helpful.

pmoriarty 4y ago

"Emacs is cool, but it was created in 1976..." It didn't end in 1976, though.. it's creation continues to this day. magit and org-mode are a couple of other killer apps written in lisp.

jhbadger 4y ago
Also, the Emacs that we know and use today (GNU Emacs) which is actually based on Lisp, started from a decade later (1985). The 1976 Emacs was written as a series of macros for the TECO editor (hence the name Emacs for editor macros).
simplotek 4y ago
> It didn't end in 1976, though.. it's creation continues to this day. Legacy projects tend to reflect the state of the art of the time they started, which reflects on aspects such as software architecture, technologies, and more importantly the overall technical commitment and technical debt which makes it hard or practically impossible to fix past wrongs or replace subpar technologies with better options. Emacs started out in a time when Lisp was the only game in town in terms of dynamic interpreted languages. That's perfectly fine. Would the same people stick with Lisp in a time when, say, the likes of Python and JavaScript and Node.js and Ruby and .NET exist?